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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’[W:254:298]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    None, but I have no idea what this proves. The Feds in this case decided to de-escalate a situation that could have very easily gotten out of hand and gotten people killed over grazing fees. And now you're citing the fact that the Feds didn't start rounding up guys with AR-15s as proof of what? That it's somehow legal to defy a court order with a militia?
    Looks obvious to me. They weren't breaking any laws.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    That must be why you easily refuted it.
    Yep. Must be.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh my! That makes the civil rights marchers, draft dodgers and occutards guilty of insurrection, too!
    Be that as it may, My point holds. You lose.


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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Those who want tough action by the government might revisit and consider recent history. Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Waco siege ended on this day 21 years ago, leaving 79 dead

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who wants to bet that the government takes possession of his property and shortly thereafter some high ranking Democrat's political crony builds a wind farm on it?

    You can bet your ass, it ain't about the money.
    Yeah ... it's way too suspiciously over-the-top & there's too much association intersection to be simply about grazing fees.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Those who want tough action by the government might revisit and consider recent history. Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Waco siege ended on this day 21 years ago, leaving 79 dead
    Apparently you haven't read the thread. The prevailing sentiment is that it's a damn good thing cooler heads prevailed precisely so we didn't have a Waco situation. However, the reason the feds showed up that armed in the first place is because Bundy himself had said he would call in the militias.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    As always, follow the money...and political sleaze.

    The head of the BLM, Neil Kornze, at age 34, is the youngest agency head in the BLM's history. He got that job because he was Senator Harry Reid's senior policy adviser from 2003 - 2011. In 2012, he proposed to create a national conservation area at Gold Butte, Nevada. His bill would create a 350,000 acre Gold Butte National Conservation Area to be managed by the BLM. The Bundy Ranch is the last one left in this vast landscape.

    Enter the desert tortoise. Clark County, in which this entire drama unfolded, has been busy buying up federal cattle grazing leases in Gold Butte (Bundy Ranch) for the purported purpose of creating a safe habitat for this "endangered species". Meanwhile, Neil Kornze, head of the BLM, has proven highly reticent to explain why his agency has been killing these tortoises off in their hundreds, every year, for many years.

    Enter Wang Yusuo, one of China's richest men, who met with Harry Reid in 2012 for the purpose of acquiring a lease on a vast tract of Nevada land to establish the MOAPA Southern Paiute Solar Project.

    Enter Rory Reid, Josh Reid, Lief Reid, Key Reid, and Steve Barringer, all of them related to Senator Harry Reid, and all of them lobbyists for the project whose firms stand to make tens of millions of dollars when the solar farm goes through. And of course Senator Harry Reid is doing all this out of the goodness of his heart, right? How many millions he's making will probably not be disclosed till he retires from his senate seat.

    But first, a Nevada rancher named Bundy, one of the last of his breed, must be stomped under the jackboot of federal government rot. And the world scratches its head wondering why 200 automatic weapon-toting Americans showed up at Bundy’s ranch ready to die for what they believe in.

    Sources: AP-Bloomberg, LA Times, Las Vegas Review Journal

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    He's not wrong. A bunch of armed vigilantes obstructing justice.
    Really?

    How many times has the U.S. government went to collect ANY bill owed to them using 200 armed federal officers to take and slaughter citizen's livestock?

    The government should have to pay full market value for each and every one of those cattle they slaughtered.

    The government is pissed because there is a tax that is owed for allowing your own cattle to graze on your ranch or something asinine like that and the ranchers are pissed because the government actually has a tax like this and really expects people to pay it for some oddly hilarious reason.

    And throughout the court battles, the government courts have sided with the government tax office that the government has the right to make you pay this tax imposed upon us by government.

    Now what is in question is the amount the government expects to be paid for this tax...it says $1M and the Ranchers say awww hell no, you're smoking crack. We come up with 1/5 of that...and you suck.


    Well government didnt like that, so it sent 200 armed federal agents to go and steal and kill their cattle....as a warning?

    When people heard of this atrocity they came to help aid a fellow citizen from what we have all seen as government abuses (if you dont call slaughtering cattle for nothing but a scare tactic abuse...you have issues)...Harry Reid calls these citizens "domestic terrorists"?

    WTF are you God damn completely Left wing looney straight off the funny farm kind of special?
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post

    The government is pissed because there is a tax that is owed for allowing your own cattle to graze on your ranch or something asinine like that and the ranchers are pissed because the government actually has a tax like this and really expects people to pay it for some oddly hilarious reason.
    That is not even remotely close to what actually happened in this case. Like, you're abysmally wrong here. This has NOTHING to do with cattle grazing on Bundy's ranch. This has to do with him grazing his cattle ON FEDERAL LAND AND REFUSING TO PAY TO DO IT.

    EDIT: I read and re-read your entire post, and you clearly have no idea of the actual facts of this particular case.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by pogomutt View Post
    Sources: AP-Bloomberg, LA Times, Las Vegas Review Journal
    Links to any of those would be nice.

    What I could see was Clarke County was selling county land at a discount price as an incentive for a multi-$billion solar project by Wang Yusuo, which is common as dirt nowadays, and certainly no more objectionable than giving the Keystone players condemnation powers to make way for their pipeline from Canada, to Texas, to refine Canadian oil, for export to China. I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the Federal land on which Bundy has demanded free grazing rights for his cattle.

    There could be some link, but I don't see it. For example, according to some news reports, Bundy's ranch is 80 miles EAST of Las Vegas, but the solar development would be along the Nevada/CA border on the very southern tip of Nevada, or almost due south of Las Vegas.

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