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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I knew you'd double down, having guns isn't armed resistance having guns and USING them is. Nevada is an open carry State. Meaning you can openly carry a firearm and do a variety of tasks, such as, oh, I don't know, protest the heavy handedness of the Federal Government? Savvy? Did you notice 2 of them examples there were murdered and one was ignored after the novelty wore off...

    but those were great examples really, you changed my entire outlook...
    So if I walk into a gas station while carrying a shotgun and tell the clerk to give me all the money in the cash register its not armed robbery so long as I don't actually fire the shotgun???

    Of course its not quite the same, in Bundy's case he didn't just steal a couple of hundred dollars out of a cash register, he grazed his cows on taxpayer land for decades, did not pay the relevant fees for 20 years, lost every court battle, and then in the end had a bunch of people show up armed to the teeth to ensure he did not pay the million dollars he now owes.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    they had guns no? For some reason I don't remember MLK, Gandhi, or Occupy using weapons to intimidate officials
    You had me at occupy.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    If a local miner shows up and wants to strip mine Yellowstone, should a bunch of local armed militia types show up to defend his ability to do so? It's federal public land so what is the difference?
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    How is it not? the founding fathers objected very much the same thing.

    calling people domestic terrorists because they stand up to the government is the lowest form of speech but something i expect from harry reid. This country was formed by standing up against the government. the government works for US not themselves.

    those soldiers out there basically were ready to shoot at their employer. the people that put that force on the ground should be held accountable and fired for terrorizing their boss.
    that is what people have forgotten. the government works for US not the other way around.

    Not to mention those government thugs destroyed private property and caused death to his liveyhood all of which they are repsonsible for and they owe damages.
    Ignorant nuts, looking for some glory by thinking they are standing up to oppression when they have no idea what the issues are and hoping to inflict pain on government agents because of their anti-government ideology are in fact terrorists. They are not standing up for a principle, they are looking for a fight.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Just for some perspective:

    There are 300 million acres of public land open to grazing. The government spends about 144 million dollars a year managing those lands for grazing. The government collects about 21 million dollars a year in grazing fees. So the taxpayers subsidize 120 million dollars or more a year for ranchers grazing cattle on public land. Yet this guy still would not pay his bills. As a taxpayer you ought to be pissed off at the fact that despite heavily subsidizing grazing for ranchers on public lands, he still would not pay for the use of those lands.

    Grazing cattle has an impact on lands, in particular any riparian areas that have to be managed and restored due to grazing in order to maintain water quality. Grazing sheep has a huge impact because they bring in diseases that decimate Bighorn Sheep which then have to be monitored and in many cases moved by the fish and wildlife service. This stuff isn't free, and this guy is just a freeloader with a bunch of armed nuts willing to back him up.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So if I walk into a gas station while carrying a shotgun and tell the clerk to give me all the money in the cash register its not armed robbery so long as I don't actually fire the shotgun???

    Of course its not quite the same, in Bundy's case he didn't just steal a couple of hundred dollars out of a cash register, he grazed his cows on taxpayer land for decades, did not pay the relevant fees for 20 years, lost every court battle, and then in the end had a bunch of people show up armed to the teeth to ensure he did not pay the million dollars he now owes.
    It's not only "not quite the same", it isn't even close to being the same.

    You're comparing an illegal act (robbery) with the right to carry a gun, which isn't illegal.

    Bundy's "crime" is a civil crime. Armed robbery is a very serious offense. I'm really surprised you don't know the difference.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    Ignorant nuts, looking for some glory by thinking they are standing up to oppression when they have no idea what the issues are and hoping to inflict pain on government agents because of their anti-government ideology are in fact terrorists. They are not standing up for a principle, they are looking for a fight.
    Do you have proof to back this up, or is this merely your opinion?

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    they had guns no? For some reason I don't remember MLK, Gandhi, or Occupy using weapons to intimidate officials
    If your user panel is right, you live in Arizona - a very gun friendly state, so there are lots of people carrying. Do you believe everyone who is carrying a gun is doing so to intimidate someone?

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    Ignorant nuts, looking for some glory by thinking they are standing up to oppression when they have no idea what the issues are and hoping to inflict pain on government agents because of their anti-government ideology are in fact terrorists. They are not standing up for a principle, they are looking for a fight.
    proof or evidence but i expect this from a liberal.
    again you would have looked down on the founding fathers for standing up to the british.

    no they are not terrorists. they are american people standing up to their government that is not terrorism. if you think it is then you have no clue what terrorism is.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It's not only "not quite the same", it isn't even close to being the same.

    You're comparing an illegal act (robbery) with the right to carry a gun, which isn't illegal.

    Bundy's "crime" is a civil crime. Armed robbery is a very serious offense. I'm really surprised you don't know the difference.
    Inviting an armed posse to your land to avoid paying millions in fines by threat of force is a serious crime.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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