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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How much does it cost for him to graze his cows on that land?
    That question makes no sense.

    It doesn't cost Bundy a dime, which is the point. He's demanding that the Feds (the rest of us) grant him valuable grazing rights, but not pay for those rights. Since when is that a conservative ideal? I live near a national park. You OK if I just start logging the oaks and walnuts in the park, and sell the wood? After all, my logging in the national park doesn't cost the park anything.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That question makes no sense.

    It doesn't cost Bundy a dime, which is the point. He's demanding that the Feds (the rest of us) grant him valuable grazing rights, but not pay for those rights. Since when is that a conservative ideal?
    It makes perfect sense, since if it costs the government nothing, Bundy is receiving nothing.

    Have you ever hunted on Federal land? Fished in a public lake?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not ok for the Feds to fire upon American citizens with automatic weapons. In fact, it's illegal.
    I'm not sure if that's true, but even if it is, so what? Last I checked, it's not legal to bring out the militia to prevent Federal agents from enforcing a court order.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not sure if that's true, but even if it is, so what? Last I checked, it's not legal to bring out the militia to prevent Federal agents from enforcing a court order.
    How many were arrested and sent to jail?

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not sure if that's true, but even if it is, so what?
    So what? I thought you all about, "the law", and ****? What happened to all that crap?

    Last I checked, it's not legal to bring out the militia to prevent Federal agents from enforcing a court order.
    It's been done many times over the past couple of centuries; scenarios that I'm sure you support 100%.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It makes perfect sense, since if it costs the government nothing, Bundy is receiving nothing.

    Have you ever hunted on Federal land? Fished in a public lake?
    You're not even trying to make sense. It also costs the National Park Service nothing if I log nice big oak trees off Federal property - I gave that example and you ignored it.

    And yes, I've hunted on public lands and fished in public lakes. I also buy LICENSES, as is generally required. Sometimes those activities require special permits, and when they do, I buy those permits. And I do this because I'm not an idiot and therefore recognize that public property does not manage itself. I also recognize that fishing and hunting rights are valuable, I'm not entitled to them for free, and therefore wherever I happen to hunt or fish, I abide by the terms the OWNER of the property sets.

    Heck, I fish on a local river. Some guy with a big field that grows nothing but hay charges me $5/day to PARK there next to the river. I pay it because that is the terms he sets for me enjoying the use of his property. Me parking there costs HIM nothing - should I demand he give me parking rights for free?

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    How many were arrested and sent to jail?
    None, but I have no idea what this proves. The Feds in this case decided to de-escalate a situation that could have very easily gotten out of hand and gotten people killed over grazing fees. And now you're citing the fact that the Feds didn't start rounding up guys with AR-15s as proof of what? That it's somehow legal to defy a court order with a militia?

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're not even trying to make sense. It also costs the National Park Service nothing if I log nice big oak trees off Federal property - I gave that example and you ignored it.

    And yes, I've hunted on public lands and fished in public lakes. I also buy LICENSES, as is generally required. Sometimes those activities require special permits, and when they do, I buy those permits. And I do this because I'm not an idiot and therefore recognize that public property does not manage itself. I also recognize that fishing and hunting rights are valuable, I'm not entitled to them for free, and therefore wherever I happen to hunt or fish, I abide by the terms the OWNER of the property sets.
    We're talking about grass, not trees. Big difference in commodities.

    Heck, I fish on a local river. Some guy with a big field that grows nothing but hay charges me $5/day to PARK there next to the river. I pay it because that is the terms he sets for me enjoying the use of his property. Me parking there costs HIM nothing - should I demand he give me parking rights for free?
    Now, you're talking about private property, not public property. I access Federal land all the time, riding horses, hunting, fishing, camping and don't pay a single dime in fees to the Feds.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    He's grazing on Federal land for free. The benefits total roughly $300,000 by Bundy's count, roughly $15,000 per year. What should we call his freeloading?
    Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word "welfare". In this situation, the word doesn't apply.

    If you owe the government $5000 in back taxes, you wouldn't say you're on welfare. You'd say you owe money.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    None, but I have no idea what this proves. The Feds in this case decided to de-escalate a situation that could have very easily gotten out of hand and gotten people killed over grazing fees. And now you're citing the fact that the Feds didn't start rounding up guys with AR-15s as proof of what? That it's somehow legal to defy a court order with a militia?
    They backed down, because they knew that if they started a firefight over friggin grazing fees, it would be a PR disaster and some could possibly go to prison.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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