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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    DEA, ATF, DOE DOLM...I guess they all have an enforcement division. It is what it is. THis is what happens when Right Wingers approve a thing called the War on Drugs, which began the militarization of the domestic arms of the Federal Government.
    It is what it is?

    It seems to be the 'left wingers' in this case who are supporting the military and SWAT teams to enforce the collection of debts, not the 'right wing'. But anyone familiar with left wing history knows that this response, and their subservience to government, is not unusual..

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is what it is?

    It seems to be the 'left wingers' in this case who are supporting the military and SWAT teams to enforce the collection of debts, not the 'right wing'. But anyone familiar with left wing history knows that this response, and their subservience to government, is not unusual..
    Oh for ****'s sake.

    I'm not a huge fan of the militarization of every law enforcement operation out there, but even you can see the extenuating circumstances here. They brought heat because they were (correctly) expecting heat in return.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Oh for ****'s sake.

    I'm not a huge fan of the militarization of every law enforcement operation out there, but even you can see the extenuating circumstances here. They brought heat because they were (correctly) expecting heat in return.
    There are no "extenuating circumstances". The federal government should not be sending in troops and SWAT Teams against American citizens.

    It's a mystery how Leftists can be against the US Military attacking a genocidal dictator like Saddam Hussein but be for the US Military attacking a Nevadan rancher. They seem to be quite stupid.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There are no "extenuating circumstances". The federal government should not be sending in troops and SWAT Teams against American citizens.

    It's a mystery how Leftists can be against the US Military attacking a genocidal dictator like Saddam Hussein but be for the US Military attacking a Nevadan rancher. They seem to be quite stupid.
    The U.S. military wasn't sent (lie no. 1), they didn't attack anyone (lie no. 2), and "Leftists" weren't against the idea of taking out Hussein, they were against the rationalizations for it and the inevitable blowback that happened (lie No. 3). You're doing VERY badly here, grant.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You're doing VERY badly here, grant.
    That's all you can expect of a guy who grew up in Canada and somehow became transfixed by the extremist right wing of America.

    Pretty funny him complaining about big government when he fully supports government sanctioned discrimination and harassment of Muslims and a complete ban on Muslims being allowed to immigrate to Canada based solely on their religion and no other factor.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That's all you can expect of a guy who grew up in Canada and somehow became transfixed by the extremist right wing of America.

    Pretty funny him complaining about big government when he fully supports government sanctioned discrimination and harassment of Muslims and a complete ban on Muslims being allowed to immigrate to Canada based solely on their religion and no other factor.
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    I have nothing against actual, real, Buckley-esque conservative thought. We need it. The U.S. needs a real conservative party and a real liberal party, and we have neither.

    Modern American liberalism has degenerated into playing everyone's heartstrings 24/7, and modern American conservatism has degenerated into sucking up to the filthy rich in the endless pursuit of the "American dream," and demonizing anyone else who tries to get their own share of it.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    MODERN CONSERVATISM: Government sucks, except when it supports my worldview.

    I have nothing against actual, real, Buckley-esque conservative thought. We need it. The U.S. needs a real conservative party and a real liberal party, and we have neither.

    Modern American liberalism has degenerated into playing everyone's heartstrings 24/7, and modern American conservatism has degenerated into sucking up to the filthy rich in the endless pursuit of the "American dream," and demonizing anyone else who tries to get their own share of it.
    Not true. Most real conservatives do not think the government sucks. There is a place in our world for government because without it, there would be anarchy, and no conservative wants anarchy.

    There is a gigantic difference between big government & small government, which is what a true conservative should want. And I don't know any conservative who "sucks up to the filthy rich" for anything.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Not true. Most real conservatives do not think the government sucks. There is a place in our world for government because without it, there would be anarchy, and no conservative wants anarchy.

    There is a gigantic difference between big government & small government, which is what a true conservative should want. And I don't know any conservative who "sucks up to the filthy rich" for anything.
    Well, any person who is elected into a national office has sucked up to one or more filthy rich person(s) in order to get there. And I think a view that we associate with the right wing can and does include anarcho-capitalists at least. Of course, that's why I don't like our scale.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Well, any person who is elected into a national office has sucked up to one or more filthy rich person(s) in order to get there. And I think a view that we associate with the right wing can and does include anarcho-capitalists at least. Of course, that's why I don't like our scale.
    As does the left wing.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    As does the left wing.
    Eh the left wing encompasses more pure Anarchy which is a socialist idea. That's why we need to change the scale and put our right wing and left wing on the same side where they belong, as authoritarian regimes
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