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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And you drew that conclusion based on what?
    From reading your posts. I could be wrong, you may have been in complete opposition to, say, the ows illegal camping, I dunno. I'm sure you characterized them as criminals and terrorists.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    This is so unbelievable to me! Not too long ago, garnishing wages, or withholding an income tax refund for the amount due, would have sufficed. Why is this drama now necessary? It's like making a tempest in a teapot - but why? We're all supposed to be living in fear of our government now? They are supposed to be our servants, not our masters!

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    the land that the cattle was grazing on was federal land that belonged to the public. Bundy is openly voicing his contempt of federal law
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

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    There isn't any question. The Feds own the land. Bundy is just arbitrarily claiming the land because of some ancestry bull****.
    The American public owns the land.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

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    the land that the cattle was grazing on was federal land that belonged to the public. Bundy is openly voicing his contempt of federal law
    So? He wouldn't be the first person to find some law contemptable.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    From reading your posts. I could be wrong, you may have been in complete opposition to, say, the ows illegal camping, I dunno. I'm sure you characterized them as criminals and terrorists.
    The people who committed crimes were criminals, just like Mr. Bundy is a criminal. I haven't characterized anyone as a terrorist.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

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    So? He wouldn't be the first person to find some law contemptable.
    His argument of acknowledging the state law but not the federal law violates the Nevada's constitution.

    Sec: 2.  Purpose of government; paramount allegiance to United States.  All political power is inherent in the people[.] Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair[,] subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existance [existence], and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the land that the cattle was grazing on was federal land that belonged to the public. Bundy is openly voicing his contempt of federal law
    But why? He must feel he's in the right somehow on whether or not it is in fact Federal land. Was it really necessary to tase him and his wife because they owed some fees to someone? Maybe he didn't pay those fees because he didn't believe the government owned the land? Had he even paid them one time, wouldn't that have been an admission that he thought they had the right to collect fees from him? I wouldn't be surprised if this matter went to the Supreme Court for a ruling, since the law seems to be a bit hazy on this, judging from what I've read!

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    But why? He must feel he's in the right somehow on whether or not it is in fact Federal land.
    That's nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Was it really necessary to tase him and his wife because they owed some fees to someone?
    They didn't tase him and his wife. His son was tased.

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    Maybe he didn't pay those fees because he didn't believe the government owned the land?
    Doesn't justify it.

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    Had he even paid them one time, wouldn't that have been an admission that he thought they had the right to collect fees from him?
    They do.

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if this matter went to the Supreme Court for a ruling, since the law seems to be a bit hazy on this, judging from what I've read!
    Not particularly hazy. I don't know what you've read.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    This is so unbelievable to me! Not too long ago, garnishing wages, or withholding an income tax refund for the amount due, would have sufficed. Why is this drama now necessary? It's like making a tempest in a teapot - but why? We're all supposed to be living in fear of our government now? They are supposed to be our servants, not our masters!

    Greetings, Deuce.
    You really need to read up on the history behind this. The penalties owed ended up topping a million dollars. You think a tax return is going to cover that? Additionally, it's not just about the money. The man had been ordered by the courts more than once to get his cattle off federal lands. He refused. What else are the feds supposed to do? Ask the cows nicely to leave? Send the cows a letter? Demand the cows pay the fine? The cows were being allowed to wander all over federal lands. The only way to stop that is to round them up. And you want to talk about drama? How about the guy who called in the tristate redneck brigade to drive off law enforcement officers who are only trying to do their very-much-justified job.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The American public owns the land.
    And until he pays me his ****ing fees he needs to stay off my damned land. Who the **** is he to think he can eat my grass for free?
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