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Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’[W:254:298:850,989]

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SouthernDemocrat said:
That would be criminal contempt of court for starters: Criminal Contempt of Court - FindLaw

The feds were enforcing a court order / judgement. I think the way the feds went about it was over the top to say the least, but armed resistance to the enforcement of a court order is a criminal act regardless of the jurisdiction.
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I missed the part where it says it's illegal to have armed people with you.

I also missed the part where it says that said armed people are committing a crime.
 
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haymarket said:
Right on. I wonder what the reaction from the far right would be if hundreds of armed African americans went to stop some store from being evicted in a black neighborhood and took up sniper positions to prevent the eviction of the owner?

Okay - I really do not wonder very long as its fairly obvious what posts we would read here condemning them for being "thugs" and "gang bangers" and all other manner of negative characterization.
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Race card...why am I not surprised? I'd say more but whats the point? You are convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that what you say here is true going by the tone of your post.
 
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Cryptic said:
* And yes sadly, the guys race did matter. Many of the militiamen were very quick to point out that the govenment purportedly ignores illegal aliens, but then goes enforcement crazy on the rancher.
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Another race card. Don't you guys ever get tired of using it? You do realize that illegal aliens are not a race. They are people that come into the country illegally or stay past their visa's. This includes whites, blacks, hispanics, asians and every other race out there. Try not to be so ignorant on the subject..kk? Besides, considering Obama's EO lettings hundreds of thousands of illegals stay in this country I'd say that those militamen have a point.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
So if I walk into a gas station while carrying a shotgun and tell the clerk to give me all the money in the cash register its not armed robbery so long as I don't actually fire the shotgun???

Of course its not quite the same, in Bundy's case he didn't just steal a couple of hundred dollars out of a cash register, he grazed his cows on taxpayer land for decades, did not pay the relevant fees for 20 years, lost every court battle, and then in the end had a bunch of people show up armed to the teeth to ensure he did not pay the million dollars he now owes.
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Oh, moral equivalence argument. Can I play?
Okay, here we go. Let's say you own a business. A business that has been in your family for generations And one day a group of men come in and say you will now pay them a fee or there will be 'consequences'. So, you refuse to pay on the moral imperative that you should not have to give up your hard earned money to those that didn't earn it. Then your stock starts to disappear or is outright destroyed. Others hear about this and come to your aid to push back that group of men that have been harassing you.
So, tall us. Are the people defending any more wrong because they are protecting you from the government and not a bunch of street hoods? Since their actions are exactly that same.
 
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reinoe said:
Reid is right. These terrorists are using threats of violence to get what they want after the judicial system didn't go their way. 2nd amendment solutions to civil discourse is not the answer.
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Civil discourse? Was it civil discourse to push a pregnant woman down? Was it civil discourse for the government to send as many armed people as they did? Which they did before the militia even got there.
 
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Sean.McDonnell said:
Americans have the right to peaceful protest. Armed resistance does not classify as protest. I can't believe I even have to clarify that point. I mean really, buy a dictionary.
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Did one person get shot? Did one person get harmed? No? Then it was peaceful. In case you've forgotten people not only have a right to protest but they also have a right to carry arms. So long as none of the militia men started firing off their guns they are well with in their rights.
 
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Sean.McDonnell said:
I really don't see why this is an issue to get behind. If he would have continued to pay for the right to graze their would be no problem. This guy broke the law, and people run to support him like he's a national hero. Find some other cause to rally
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You mean like those men at the Boston Teaparty?
 
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Sean.McDonnell said:
they had guns no? For some reason I don't remember MLK, Gandhi, or Occupy using weapons to intimidate officials
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I'm sorry...but are these militia men there at Bundy's Ranch MLK? Gandhi? Occupy? There are many ways of protesting.
 
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Reid is the equivalent of a demented Kings fool, sent out to amuse everyone and make them laugh.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
I'm sorry...but are these militia men there at Bundy's Ranch MLK? Gandhi? Occupy? There are many ways of protesting.
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The only way liberal progressives agree with protests is if it is THEIR protests - anyone else doing it from a different point of view are "domestic terrorists". Tolerance is a one way street politically. If it's not the far left wings protest it's not tolerated in any way shape or form.
 
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humbolt said:
Here's some background: PEASE: Why does the federal government own Nevada? - Your Houston News: Opinion

Slanted a little, perhaps, but it's a good indication of how this impasse was reached.
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The article was excellent, and as usual these days, I learned something I did not know prior to reading it! :thumbs: I love this site!

One thing that disturbed me greatly was reading that the Bundy's were tased by Federal agents when they objected to having their cattle confiscated! TASED? WTH! Most of us would object to having our possessions taken from us by force, no matter who was doing it! That's called theft where I come from! Outrageous! I will be following this story to see how it is resolved!

Happy Friday, humbolt. :2wave:
 
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polgara said:
The article was excellent, and as usual these days, I learned something I did not know prior to reading it! :thumbs: I love this site!

One thing that disturbed me greatly was reading that the Bundy's were tased by Federal agents when they objected to having their cattle confiscated! TASED? WTH! Most of us would object to having our possessions taken from us by force, no matter who was doing it! That's called theft where I come from! Outrageous! I will be following this story to see how it is resolved!

Happy Friday, humbolt. :2wave:
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Morning, Pol. It is a Good Friday. The history behind this event is interesting, to say the least. State sovereignty can be undermined in limitless ways it seems. That the feds showed up with all that firepower to collect a debt is absurd. Whoever ordered that needs to be fired.
 
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polgara said:
The article was excellent, and as usual these days, I learned something I did not know prior to reading it! :thumbs: I love this site!

One thing that disturbed me greatly was reading that the Bundy's were tased by Federal agents when they objected to having their cattle confiscated! TASED? WTH! Most of us would object to having our possessions taken from us by force, no matter who was doing it! That's called theft where I come from! Outrageous! I will be following this story to see how it is resolved!

Happy Friday, humbolt. :2wave:
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Here is the one I didn't know...interesting.
Again, in the case of the Bundys, the land in dispute was not purchased by the federal government, did not receive the consent of the Nevada State Legislature for sale to the feds and is not for military purposes. The fact that the federal government acquired it fraudulently in the first place, or that both political parties have ignored this part of the Constitution for over a hundred years, does not make federal confiscation now constitutional. Constitutionally Bundy has more right to be there than does the Bureau of Land Management. Still, his stand is not practical given our long-term departure from the document and to get back to the Constitution some may do jail time, as have others like Martin Luther King, Jr. Freedom has never been cheap.
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Kal'Stang said:
Did one person get shot? Did one person get harmed? No? Then it was peaceful. In case you've forgotten people not only have a right to protest but they also have a right to carry arms. So long as none of the militia men started firing off their guns they are well with in their rights.
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The left gets really nervous when Americans demonstrate why the right to bear arms was added to the Constitution.
 
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Sean.McDonnell said:
Americans have the right to peaceful protest. Armed resistance does not classify as protest. I can't believe I even have to clarify that point. I mean really, buy a dictionary.
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And without "armed resistance". where would we be now?
 
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tres borrachos said:
Speaking with British accents and sending our tax money to Queen Elizabeth instead of DC.
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With no Bill of Rights, no constitution, no freedom of speech. Sounds fun.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
With no Bill of Rights, no constitution, no freedom of speech. Sounds fun.
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Perhaps it's a Liberal's dream, since they seem to object to the notion of armed resistance to government control.
 
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keymanjim said:
Oh, moral equivalence argument. Can I play?
Okay, here we go. Let's say you own a business. A business that has been in your family for generations And one day a group of men come in and say you will now pay them a fee or there will be 'consequences'. So, you refuse to pay on the moral imperative that you should not have to give up your hard earned money to those that didn't earn it. Then your stock starts to disappear or is outright destroyed. Others hear about this and come to your aid to push back that group of men that have been harassing you.
So, tall us. Are the people defending any more wrong because they are protecting you from the government and not a bunch of street hoods? Since their actions are exactly that same.
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If you have a place of business, and you deliberately don't pay your bills, you lose your business.

Correct?

All he has to do is what every other rancher did, and that is, pay his damned bills.

Nope, he is a patriot who won't pay, profiting off of stealing.
 
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beefheart said:
If you have a place of business, and you deliberately don't pay your bills, you lose your business.

Correct?

All he has to do is what every other rancher did, and that is, pay his damned bills.

Nope, he is a patriot who won't pay, profiting off of stealing.
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You really don't get it do you? He quit paying when they lied to him.
 
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beefheart said:
If you have a place of business, and you deliberately don't pay your bills, you lose your business.
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If you have a place of business and you refuse to pay protection money to those who will harass you if you don't, are you in the wrong?
Those 'bills' only exist because the feds decided they should. No other reason.
 
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beefheart said:
If you have a place of business, and you deliberately don't pay your bills, you lose your business.

Correct?
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Not if you file for bankruptcy reorganization.
 
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keymanjim said:
If you have a place of business and you refuse to pay protection money to those who will harass you if you don't, are you in the wrong?
Those 'bills' only exist because the feds decided they should. No other reason.
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Hyperbole

The feds offer grazing land at a very very cheap price, if he wanted to pay another rancher to use private land he should, but no...he has to be a moocher, a cheat, a welfare queen.

Real men pay their bills
 
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