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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    When a militia group shows up armed to their calling,
    federal people perceive that as a threat.
    (intimidation)
    I can't make it any plainer than that.

    I hope you understand that. I do. I'm not so sure of your reference to democrats or Holder.
    As far as I know, federal agencies send people into the field without political bias,
    they have but one thing on their minds in the field, enforcement of law.



    FBI — Terrorism Definition
    Given the definition of Domestic terrorism, you have it backwards.
    The threat needs to be undertaken, initiated or planned by someone against someone before law enforcement is involved.
    Like McVeigh or in Boston, for example.

    There was no danger to human life on the Bundy Ranch ... just a grazing fee violation and someone with a motive of their own set a swarm of heavily armed BLM officers on Bundy.
    Bundy wasn't intimidating or coercing anyone and there was no mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping ... expect of cattle by the Government.
    But it was within the territorial jurisdiction of the US ... you get that one.
    Again, it doesn't come close to domestic terrorism.
    But I'll say this much ... Harry Reid appears to be looking to incite violence and by definition he satisfies one of the elements.

    "Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:
    ◾Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
    ◾Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
    ◾Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Given the definition of Domestic terrorism, you have it backwards.
    The threat needs to be undertaken, initiated or planned by someone against someone before law enforcement is involved.
    Like McVeigh or in Boston, for example.

    There was no danger to human life on the Bundy Ranch ... just a grazing fee violation and someone with a motive of their own set a swarm of heavily armed BLM officers on Bundy.
    Bundy wasn't intimidating or coercing anyone and there was no mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping ... expect of cattle by the Government.
    But it was within the territorial jurisdiction of the US ... you get that one.
    Again, it doesn't come close to domestic terrorism.
    But I'll say this much ... Harry Reid appears to be looking to incite violence and by definition he satisfies one of the elements.
    d: Why is this being hyped and mischaracterized by Reid? And why is it okay to tase people who object to having their possessions - in this case cattle - taken from them? What is the reason behind this?

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    d: Why is this being hyped and mischaracterized by Reid? And why is it okay to tase people who object to having their possessions - in this case cattle - taken from them? What is the reason behind this?
    It's ok to tase someone who physically tries to prevent a lawful seizure of property or arrest. (subject to the usual continuum of force)
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Of course, the number of people that actually do this is infinitesimal.

    Bundy is trying to graze on federal land for free. He's a deadbeat.
    Armed Federal agents are deployed because someone is delinquent in paying some fees? c'mon. Kobie. You can't be serious!

    As I understand it, there is some question as to whether the Feds even own the land in question. This will be interesting...

    Greetings, Kobie.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Armed Federal agents are deployed because someone is delinquent in paying some fees? c'mon. Kobie. You can't be serious!

    As I understand it, there is some question as to whether the Feds even own the land in question. This will be interesting...

    Greetings, Kobie.
    and for ignoring a federal court order.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Armed Federal agents are deployed because someone is delinquent in paying some fees? c'mon. Kobie. You can't be serious!

    As I understand it, there is some question as to whether the Feds even own the land in question. This will be interesting...

    Greetings, Kobie.
    He was delinquent in paying fees for 20 years and for ignoring two federal court orders.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's ok to tase someone who physically tries to prevent a lawful seizure of property or arrest.
    From what I've been reading, this may not have been a lawful seizure. Who in the BLM ordered this?

    Greetings, Deuce.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Armed Federal agents are deployed because someone is delinquent in paying some fees? c'mon. Kobie. You can't be serious!

    As I understand it, there is some question as to whether the Feds even own the land in question. This will be interesting...

    Greetings, Kobie.
    There isn't any question. The Feds own the land. Bundy is just arbitrarily claiming the land because of some ancestry bull****.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    From what I've been reading, this may not have been a lawful seizure. Who in the BLM ordered this?

    Greetings, Deuce.
    It was lawful seizure, court order and all. But that's not relevant.

    If a seizure or arrest is unlawful or unjustified, you do not have any redress at the scene. It doesn't matter if the officer is obviously in the wrong, if he says you are under arrest, you are under arrest. Your redress is down at the station and in the courtroom. Resistance at the scene, even if you really really really think the officer is wrong, is a good way to get shot. It's a crappy system when the officer is legitimately abusing their power, but that's the system. The alternative is to give people leeway to say "Nuh uh" when told they are under arrest, and that can only lead to more violence.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It was lawful seizure, court order and all. But that's not relevant.

    If a seizure or arrest is unlawful or unjustified, you do not have any redress at the scene. It doesn't matter if the officer is obviously in the wrong, if he says you are under arrest, you are under arrest. Your redress is down at the station and in the courtroom. Resistance at the scene, even if you really really really think the officer is wrong, is a good way to get shot. It's a crappy system when the officer is legitimately abusing their power, but that's the system. The alternative is to give people leeway to say "Nuh uh" when told they are under arrest, and that can only lead to more violence.
    This is so unbelievable to me! Not too long ago, garnishing wages, or withholding an income tax refund for the amount due, would have sufficed. Why is this drama now necessary? It's like making a tempest in a teapot - but why? We're all supposed to be living in fear of our government now? They are supposed to be our servants, not our masters!

    Greetings, Deuce.

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