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Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’[W:254:298:850,989]

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Manc Skipper said:
"These folks" were openly committing armed insurrection.
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These folks were excercising their constitutional freedoms. You people have no concept of that, since you have no constitution.
 
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apdst said:
These folks were excercising their constitutional freedoms. You people have no concept of that, since you have no constitution.
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Your ignorance seems encyclopaedic. "exercising" .... Insurrection: Resistance against civil authority or government.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Your ignorance seems encyclopaedic. "exercising" .... Insurrection: Resistance against civil authority or government.
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Oh my! That makes the civil rights marchers, draft dodgers and occutards guilty of insurrection, too!

Your ignorance seems encyclopedic, "exercising".
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There, I made it more grammatically correct for you. There no, "a", in encyclopedic, speaking of encyclopedic ignorance.
 
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apdst said:
Oh my! That makes the civil rights marchers, draft dodgers and occutards guilty of insurrection, too!
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Darn it all anyway! I haven't done any of those - I need to get with the program I guess! :mrgreen:
 
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apdst said:
How much does it cost for him to graze his cows on that land?
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That question makes no sense.

It doesn't cost Bundy a dime, which is the point. He's demanding that the Feds (the rest of us) grant him valuable grazing rights, but not pay for those rights. Since when is that a conservative ideal? I live near a national park. You OK if I just start logging the oaks and walnuts in the park, and sell the wood? After all, my logging in the national park doesn't cost the park anything.
 
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JasperL said:
That question makes no sense.

It doesn't cost Bundy a dime, which is the point. He's demanding that the Feds (the rest of us) grant him valuable grazing rights, but not pay for those rights. Since when is that a conservative ideal?
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It makes perfect sense, since if it costs the government nothing, Bundy is receiving nothing.

Have you ever hunted on Federal land? Fished in a public lake?
 
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apdst said:
It's not ok for the Feds to fire upon American citizens with automatic weapons. In fact, it's illegal.
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I'm not sure if that's true, but even if it is, so what? Last I checked, it's not legal to bring out the militia to prevent Federal agents from enforcing a court order.
 
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JasperL said:
I'm not sure if that's true, but even if it is, so what? Last I checked, it's not legal to bring out the militia to prevent Federal agents from enforcing a court order.
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How many were arrested and sent to jail?
 
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JasperL said:
I'm not sure if that's true, but even if it is, so what?
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So what? I thought you all about, "the law", and ****? What happened to all that crap?

Last I checked, it's not legal to bring out the militia to prevent Federal agents from enforcing a court order.
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It's been done many times over the past couple of centuries; scenarios that I'm sure you support 100%.
 
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apdst said:
It makes perfect sense, since if it costs the government nothing, Bundy is receiving nothing.

Have you ever hunted on Federal land? Fished in a public lake?
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You're not even trying to make sense. It also costs the National Park Service nothing if I log nice big oak trees off Federal property - I gave that example and you ignored it.

And yes, I've hunted on public lands and fished in public lakes. I also buy LICENSES, as is generally required. Sometimes those activities require special permits, and when they do, I buy those permits. And I do this because I'm not an idiot and therefore recognize that public property does not manage itself. I also recognize that fishing and hunting rights are valuable, I'm not entitled to them for free, and therefore wherever I happen to hunt or fish, I abide by the terms the OWNER of the property sets.

Heck, I fish on a local river. Some guy with a big field that grows nothing but hay charges me $5/day to PARK there next to the river. I pay it because that is the terms he sets for me enjoying the use of his property. Me parking there costs HIM nothing - should I demand he give me parking rights for free?
 
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Gill said:
How many were arrested and sent to jail?
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None, but I have no idea what this proves. The Feds in this case decided to de-escalate a situation that could have very easily gotten out of hand and gotten people killed over grazing fees. And now you're citing the fact that the Feds didn't start rounding up guys with AR-15s as proof of what? That it's somehow legal to defy a court order with a militia?
 
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JasperL said:
You're not even trying to make sense. It also costs the National Park Service nothing if I log nice big oak trees off Federal property - I gave that example and you ignored it.

And yes, I've hunted on public lands and fished in public lakes. I also buy LICENSES, as is generally required. Sometimes those activities require special permits, and when they do, I buy those permits. And I do this because I'm not an idiot and therefore recognize that public property does not manage itself. I also recognize that fishing and hunting rights are valuable, I'm not entitled to them for free, and therefore wherever I happen to hunt or fish, I abide by the terms the OWNER of the property sets.
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We're talking about grass, not trees. Big difference in commodities.

Heck, I fish on a local river. Some guy with a big field that grows nothing but hay charges me $5/day to PARK there next to the river. I pay it because that is the terms he sets for me enjoying the use of his property. Me parking there costs HIM nothing - should I demand he give me parking rights for free?
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Now, you're talking about private property, not public property. I access Federal land all the time, riding horses, hunting, fishing, camping and don't pay a single dime in fees to the Feds.
 
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JasperL said:
He's grazing on Federal land for free. The benefits total roughly $300,000 by Bundy's count, roughly $15,000 per year. What should we call his freeloading?
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Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word "welfare". In this situation, the word doesn't apply.

If you owe the government $5000 in back taxes, you wouldn't say you're on welfare. You'd say you owe money.
 
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JasperL said:
None, but I have no idea what this proves. The Feds in this case decided to de-escalate a situation that could have very easily gotten out of hand and gotten people killed over grazing fees. And now you're citing the fact that the Feds didn't start rounding up guys with AR-15s as proof of what? That it's somehow legal to defy a court order with a militia?
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They backed down, because they knew that if they started a firefight over friggin grazing fees, it would be a PR disaster and some could possibly go to prison.
 
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beefheart said:
His OWS question was not germane to this, it was just a cheap attempt to swerve away from the topic at hand. Pretty lame attempt...LOL
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Yes, that's an old excuse;

Maybe you should leave your job and go out to the desert to defend your deadbeat hero.
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That's called "swerving away from the topic at hand".
 
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apdst said:
Now, you're talking about private property, not public property. I access Federal land all the time, riding horses, hunting, fishing, camping and don't pay a single dime in fees to the Feds.
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You welfare recipient!
 
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apdst said:
So what? I thought you all about, "the law", and ****? What happened to all that crap?

It's been done many times over the past couple of centuries; scenarios that I'm sure you support 100%.
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I wouldn't know if I support these unnamed scenarios, because I have no idea what you're talking about, but otherwise excellent point.
 
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JasperL said:
I wouldn't know if I support these unnamed scenarios, because I have no idea what you're talking about...
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Think of any time that there was civil disobedience, violent, or not, that you supported.


but otherwise excellent point.
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Thank you!
 
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Welfare continues to be in the eye of your political lean.
Just as "acceptable" links that people quibble over.
Or with what angle the sniper was aiming at.
tres borrachos said:
Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word "welfare". In this situation, the word doesn't apply.

If you owe the government $5000 in back taxes, you wouldn't say you're on welfare. You'd say you owe money.
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Looks like Woodie Guthrie just had his ass handed to him by the new left. Poor guy just became a conservative without his post-life permission.
 
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NIMBY said:
Welfare continues to be in the eye of your political lean.
Just as "acceptable" links that people quibble over.
Or with what angle the sniper was aiming at.
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Good evening Nimby!
 
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apdst said:
We're talking about grass, not trees. Big difference in commodities.
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So what? Grazing rights have a value. Logging rights have a value. If Bundy can demand grazing rights for free, why can't I demand logging rights for free? What if I only want ONE big tree a year, and he wants to graze 170 acres for free every year? NOW can I demand my one tree?

Now, you're talking about private property, not public property. I access Federal land all the time, riding horses, hunting, fishing, camping and don't pay a single dime in fees to the Feds.
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And....? If the Feds charge no fees in some cases, that means that anything I want to do on Federal land I can do for free?!!?? "Yipee! Ma, go get the logging trucks!"
 
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NIMBY said:
Welfare continues to be in the eye of your political lean.
Just as "acceptable" links that people quibble over.
Or with what angle the sniper was aiming at.
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You call Bundy a freeloader, but you have no problem with a person collecting welfare, in the form of cash for their whole lives?
 
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