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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    There are NO good choices for the government if they continue in the vein they are. Squeezing on a armed population is like squeezing on a balloon filled with acid. Its a bitch to control and if you squeeze too much you get burned.
    So you think it sets a good precedence that as long as a group is heavily armed, they should get away with what ever they want to and the feds should just back down. THAT'S the precedence YOU want to set by having the feds back down.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    And the feds showing up with 200 agents helicopters and automatic weapons is not a form of coercion. A form that was successfully resisted as we have seen as they backed off when it was shown people were willing to show up armed and in numbers which would make any attempt by the government to force the issue very costly. Both sides are playing a dangerous game.
    Most federal law enforcement agents I've ever had contact with are armed, especially serving papers, warrants, or confiscating property. The FBI probably forewarned the BLM of possible interference from armed militias. You know, the be prepared thing.





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    That make you feel any safer?
    What the hell are you talking about now?

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    The way the government defines words like terrorism and treason is self serving nonsense, and frankly, I don't care what they think is terrorism or treason.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

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    So you think it sets a good precedence that as long as a group is heavily armed, they should get away with what ever they want to and the feds should just back down. THAT'S the precedence YOU want to set by having the feds back down.
    People in this country don't normally get pissed off enough to show up hundreds of miles from their home armed to the teeth ready to get themselves killed. You think those people were under ANY illusions about the end result of that standoff turning into a shootout? I don't think they were. It tells me how pissed they were. So as far as precedence yes its a good thing. It puts the wolves in government on notice that the sheep dogs are still numerous and still have teeth and are willing to use them. If they don't want to get bit they need to back off. So yes I am fine with the precedence.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Actually nope. Domestic terrorism was redefined after the 9/11 attacks, via the patriot act. Nice try at spinning though.
    OK, got me, I misspoke, though Obama did have to sign the extension to that act, but I'll concede the point none the less. I wasn't spinning, I was thinking of something else.

    michellemalkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf

    that and various other politically motivated attacks against the opposition..

    I'm allowed to be wrong once, right?...

    As we return though, I don't see anything in the FBI definition which could be applied to this case, unless of course you go into that whole loosely interpreted charade this Admin likes to do so frequently...
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Most federal law enforcement agents I've ever had contact with are armed, especially serving papers, warrants, or confiscating property. The FBI probably forewarned the BLM of possible interference from armed militias. You know, the be prepared thing.









    What the hell are you talking about now?
    And you don't think that is NOT a form of coercion? You feel safer with the revised patriot act version of terrorism definition?
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you think it sets a good precedence that as long as a group is heavily armed, they should get away with what ever they want to and the feds should just back down. THAT'S the precedence YOU want to set by having the feds back down.
    Don't you think it's a little interesting that people would show up armed ready to take on the government? People don't usually do that when the government is in the right.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    I think "domestic terrorist," is a bit strong. Throwing the terrorist word around diminishes it's true meaning. But I suppose it's just a matter of perspective.

    This person, who wrote this story linked below in that liberal rag called The Salon, just says the rancher is a communist or, at best, a socialist. The militia people are just disgruntled and disfranchised folks looking for a fight. I am hearing two versions of the story. Not sure which is accurate. But, even if the freeloading rancher turns out to be a bad reason for these militia people to get up in arms about, make no mistake. They WILL find a reason to get violent sooner than later. America has gone away from their ideology and they are plenty pissed off about it. It's just a matter of time before they will become, in fact, violent enemies of the state.

    The latest right-wing media poster-victim, Cliven Bundy, is just the latest in a long line of desert dwellers who thinks he or she should not have to follow the law and has a god-given right to unlimited use of public resources, in this case, rangeland. I know the mentality well, because I grew up in rural Nevada and clung desperately to such beliefs until only a few years ago.

    Bundy has not paid grazing fees in close to 20 years, while the federal government has, with painful, stupid moves, tried to somehow deal with him. Bundy also faced restrictions because he continued to graze cattle on a slice of public land reserved for the endangered desert tortoise. He was invited to talk to Sean Hannity (of course) about the “standoff.”

    “We want freedom,” Bundy said. I don’t know what freedom Bundy’s talking about. He does not own the land nor does he even pay the modest fees required to use it. Thousands of ranchers across the West pay fees for their businesses, but Bundy thinks he should get to use public resources to make a personal profit. Cliven Bundy, far from being a patriot, is also clearly a straight-up communist.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    OK, got me, I misspoke, though Obama did have to sign the extension to that act, but I'll concede the point none the less. I wasn't spinning, I was thinking of something else.

    michellemalkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf

    that and various other politically motivated attacks against the opposition..

    I'm allowed to be wrong once, right?...

    As we return though, I don't see anything in the FBI definition which could be applied to this case, unless of course you go into that whole loosely interpreted charade this Admin likes to do so frequently...
    I happen to know that violence against BLM & Forest Service workers has show a recent uptick in statistics over the past few years, and some forest service offices have had bombs go off inside of them, one bomb was planted under a forest service worker's vehicle.

    So yes, I would believe the FBI would be warning (involved) the BLM and Forest Service about potential threats from militia groups.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    And you don't think that is NOT a form of coercion? You feel safer with the revised patriot act version of terrorism definition?
    Stupid question.

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