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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I just wish Reid would take his "People can't violate the law and walk away from it" attitude towards illegals. But I guess it's only good to talk tough when it's not possibly damaging politically and potentially when your family alledgedly have something to gain from doing so.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    Oh, moral equivalence argument. Can I play?
    Okay, here we go. Let's say you own a business. A business that has been in your family for generations And one day a group of men come in and say you will now pay them a fee or there will be 'consequences'. So, you refuse to pay on the moral imperative that you should not have to give up your hard earned money to those that didn't earn it. Then your stock starts to disappear or is outright destroyed. Others hear about this and come to your aid to push back that group of men that have been harassing you.
    So, tall us. Are the people defending any more wrong because they are protecting you from the government and not a bunch of street hoods? Since their actions are exactly that same.
    Ok, for your scenario to fit. That means you have to put your business on public park. You see you don't own the land. The government then comes to you and everyone else that has a business on that public park and tells them that there will be a fee for having that business on a public park, thus if they want to keep their business on a public park, they must pay the fee or relocate their business. The fee is quite reasonable being that its only 20% of the actual cost of upkeep of the land that you are using. The rest is born by the taxpayers. You refuse to pay that fee because you refuse to accept even the legal concept of a public park. You take your case to the courts and lose every time. Eventually, in this case after 20 years, the government with the backing of court judgements, seeks to collect the money you owe. You then get a bunch of armed militia types to show up and thwart a court order thus committing criminal contempt of court. The government eventually backs down because its not worth bloodshed, and you continue to freeload off the taxpayers.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    Oh, moral equivalence argument. Can I play?
    Okay, here we go. Let's say you own a business. A business that has been in your family for generations And one day a group of men come in and say you will now pay them a fee or there will be 'consequences'.
    Is that business on private land, or public land? This does make a difference.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    So going back to the OP....is it okay again to say "terrorists"? No more of that "man-caused disaster" crap?

    Even David Gregory was saying this morning on Morning Joe that it was very irresponsible of Reid to use the term "domestic terrorist".

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So going back to the OP....is it okay again to say "terrorists"? No more of that "man-caused disaster" crap?

    Even David Gregory was saying this morning on Morning Joe that it was very irresponsible of Reid to use the term "domestic terrorist".
    "Terrorist"?- probably not accurate. Just another form of a politicized street gang? - very accurate.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    "Terrorist"?- probably not accurate. Just another form of a politicized street gang? - very accurate.
    On this we can agree. I would call them a "gang". I think it is very dangeous and out of line for Reid to use the term "terrorist" and not because I subscribed to Napolitano's instructions to use another term.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    As a point of note....

    Isn't terrorism, in part, based around the notion of attempting to target and or intimidate the civilian population as a means of pushing a political message? It seems all of Bundy and his supporters actions have been focused on government employees.

    That doesn't suggeset that it's right. I'm just curious if "terrorist" is the right wrong, especially with how reticent Reid and others on his side general are when using that term in other instances.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How many years did Rangel refuse to pay the bill after a court ordered him to do so?
    If Bundy had just paid what he owed, none of this would have happened.


    You've called people in the Obama administration criminals, but no warrants for their arrest. Why not?
    Why didn't law enforcement just show up with an arrest warrant and arrest Bundy? Because this doesn't have a damn thing to do with no measely million bucks. This was a probe, to test the reaction of the people to the government imposing its will by force.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    As a point of note....

    Isn't terrorism, in part, based around the notion of attempting to target and or intimidate the civilian population as a means of pushing a political message? It seems all of Bundy and his supporters actions have been focused on government employees.

    That doesn't suggeset that it's right. I'm just curious if "terrorist" is the right wrong, especially with how reticent Reid and others on his side general are when using that term in other instances.
    It's an attempt by a discredited, crooked politician to discredit his enemies. By turning Brundy into a terrorist, he's no longer a trusted American citizen.
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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    On this we can agree. I would call them a "gang". I think it is very dangeous and out of line for Reid to use the term "terrorist" and not because I subscribed to Napolitano's instructions to use another term.
    Thanks. Even the term "gang" probably does not describe all the protesters. When I looked at the photogrpahs, there seemed to be two distinct groups of protesters:

    -Men who were obviously ranchers. Many were on horseback. Only one of these men was armed and he was armed with a pistol.
    -Militia types (I doubt they had ever ranched in their life) decked out in camoflauge and armed with AR-15 type weapons. They also had walk talkies etc.

    None of the ranchers took up firing positions over looking the BLM agents. Rather, they were there simply to protest. Likewise, none of the ranchers appeared to try to surround the BLM agents by moving through the brush on their sides. Rather, it was the militia gangsters doing this junk and also serving as self appointed body guards to Bundy.

    What conservative politicians need to realize, is that once the militia gangster genie is summoned, it can be very hard to put them back into the bottle. Just ask both the Ukrainians and the Russians.

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