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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’


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    There were, by most estimates, 500 Nazis in Charlottesville. One of them went homicidal. Not all Nazis are violent extremists. You are trying to rationalize your hatred and it's simply not rational.
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    as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You did say so, right here:
    He's not guilty of a crime until he's convicted in court.

    You *think* he's guilty but your opinion doesn't decide if he's *actually* guilty.

    You would do well to learn the diference. Has he been arrested? Has he been charged? I'm sure DP would enjoy a thread on that if he were.
    You are funny with your ridiculous splitting hairs bull****.

    I am pretty sure that I am not the government making a official judgement. I am confidant that I am a citizen noting the photographic evidence and the specific state law that the idiot was clearly in violation of.

    I never claimed that the idiot was arrested. I never claimed any court decision. It is weird that you are going off on this irrelevant tangent for what? Your line of thought makes no sense.

    AT any rate a guy aiming a firearm at a group of people sure does make these militia Bundy supporters look like Domestic terrorists. Also the entire point of that was to intimidate the BLM by showing force with armed militia hanging around pointing weapons in the BLM's direction.

    "There is no deal here. The citizens of America and Clark County went and took their cattle. There was no negotiations. They took these cattle," Bundy said.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Should I have been shocked that you refused to post the Photoshop evidence that you've based your opinion on? Was it because you don't know how or are you just lazy?
    Wrong. I countered what was already posted and suggested that some look for themselves before they blindly accept as proof that he indeed pointed at LE based alone on a picture without analysis(the one picture that tried to prove guilt followed the bill of his cap, not the weapon and even shoots off to nowhere). You should try it yourself as everyone's monitor is different. My "lightened" photo may still be too dark on your monitor. After all it is not on an easel in a court room. Many quickly jumped on the only poster that 1st proposed this with their only "proof" because they say so. It would not hold up in court yet, many here have already pronounced him as guilty without any attempt to examine "evidence". I checked the photo out then closed PS why would I waste hard disk space on this guy?

    I also stated that I did not think he was completely lawful as he had weapon drawn with no immediate threat.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    If certain gun guys are insulted by that? Good, they should be ashamed: the rest of US are sick and tired of having our intelligence insulted[/i].



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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    WHat is there to accuse the photos say enough. There is a man with a firearm that for all appearances looks loaded and pointed at a crowd of people. By Nevada state law he is guilty of a crime by those photos alone. It isnt a accusation it is a known fact, whether you accept it or not I dont care.
    Here's a photographers blog from Reuters that supports that the thugs weapons were loaded, had clear sight, range and willingness to fire. Of course the true believers will deny and say it 'proves' nothing. Maybe, maybe not. But the photographer was there, none of us were.
    Then I heard the words, “I’ve got a clear shot at four of them,” and to my right found one of the men pointing his weapon in the direction of the BLM. For me, time had stopped.

    “I’m ready to pull the trigger if fired upon,” said another man on the bridge. That was what other Bundy supporters said too – they wouldn’t shoot first, but they would return fire.

    Nevada showdown | Photographers' Blog


    Also the photographer relates that it was the thugs that initiated the confrontation.
    I decided to leave the protesters’ rallying point and drive several miles to where BLM and National Park Service (NPS) officers were holding Bundy’s impounded cattle but when I got there, there didn’t seem to be anything new to report.

    I was making my way back to the protest site when Jennifer called me. She said the demonstrators were coming in my direction to go to the BLM facility and demand that Bundy’s cattle be released. My heart skipped a beat and anxiety set in, as I realised the armed group was heading this way looking for a showdown.
    Another note. I tried looking for the number of federal agents on scene - print and image. I've seen the number 200 thrown about in various posts, but in my search that number always seemed to be traced back to Bundy's wife's allegation. She was also the lone source of the government sniper allegation. Another article said this...
    He was part of a 1,000-strong coalition of armed militia-men, cowboys on horseback, gun rights activists and others who rallied to Cliven Bundy's Bunkerville ranch, about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, in a stand-off with about a dozen agents from the federal Bureau of Land Management.

    After Nevada ranch stand-off, emboldened militias ask: where next? | Reuters
    I never found a number of federal agents estimate in print (other than Bundy's wife), but I did see an image with 19 armed agents from a thug friendly page.

    Top 12 Pictures from the Bundy Ranch Standoff
    “We just simply don’t know how to govern” - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Here's a photographers blog from Reuters that supports that the thugs weapons were loaded, had clear sight, range and willingness to fire. Of course the true believers will deny and say it 'proves' nothing. Maybe, maybe not. But the photographer was there, none of us were.




    Also the photographer relates that it was the thugs that initiated the confrontation.


    Another note. I tried looking for the number of federal agents on scene - print and image. I've seen the number 200 thrown about in various posts, but in my search that number always seemed to be traced back to Bundy's wife's allegation. She was also the lone source of the government sniper allegation. Another article said this...

    I never found a number of federal agents estimate in print (other than Bundy's wife), but I did see an image with 19 armed agents from a thug friendly page.

    Top 12 Pictures from the Bundy Ranch Standoff
    You can't even tell what kind of object the "sniper" is holding, it might be a BB gun for all you know, much less who, or what he's aiming at.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Should I have been shocked that you refused to post the Photoshop evidence that you've based your opinion on? Was it because you don't know how or are you just lazy?
    Here you go moot:
    Keep in mind this elevation photo

    Attachment 67165538

    What is he 'aiming' at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    If certain gun guys are insulted by that? Good, they should be ashamed: the rest of US are sick and tired of having our intelligence insulted[/i].



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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    Wrong. I countered what was already posted and suggested that some look for themselves before they blindly accept as proof that he indeed pointed at LE based alone on a picture without analysis(the one picture that tried to prove guilt followed the bill of his cap, not the weapon and even shoots off to nowhere). You should try it yourself as everyone's monitor is different. My "lightened" photo may still be too dark on your monitor. After all it is not on an easel in a court room. Many quickly jumped on the only poster that 1st proposed this with their only "proof" because they say so. It would not hold up in court yet, many here have already pronounced him as guilty without any attempt to examine "evidence". I checked the photo out then closed PS why would I waste hard disk space on this guy?

    I also stated that I did not think he was completely lawful as he had weapon drawn with no immediate threat.
    You may not agree but I think Bucks photo is spot on. And when someone points a gun at someone....that is considered a threat in any legal sense of the word.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    Here you go moot:
    Keep in mind this elevation photo

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    What is he 'aiming' at?

    Attachment 67165539
    He's aiming at the LEO camp.


    PS....thanks for posting this, MAC.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You may not agree but I think Bucks photo is spot on. And when someone points a gun at someone....that is considered a threat in any legal sense of the word.
    Besides that, why would a civilian be pointing a firearm downrange anyway. If those protesters at the barricade are his friends or family, why would he want to aim over their heads like that. I call it pure stupidity.

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    Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Here's a photographers blog from Reuters that supports that the thugs weapons were loaded, had clear sight, range and willingness to fire. Of course the true believers will deny and say it 'proves' nothing. Maybe, maybe not. But the photographer was there, none of us were.




    Also the photographer relates that it was the thugs that initiated the confrontation.


    Another note. I tried looking for the number of federal agents on scene - print and image. I've seen the number 200 thrown about in various posts, but in my search that number always seemed to be traced back to Bundy's wife's allegation. She was also the lone source of the government sniper allegation. Another article said this...

    I never found a number of federal agents estimate in print (other than Bundy's wife), but I did see an image with 19 armed agents from a thug friendly page.

    Top 12 Pictures from the Bundy Ranch Standoff
    Good stuff, BWG. That helps answer some of the questions I had....especially the bit about the 200 armed agents surrounding the Bundy ranch. I thought that was quite a stretch. But that there were witnesses who not only saw the 'thugs' on the bridge point their weapons at BLM...but also heard one of them say....“I’ve got a clear shot at four of them.” Case closed.

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