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The US is an oligarchy, study concludes[W:192]

Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

No, that's where we get morons pushing creationism in schools, racism, etc. Those never come from the federal government, they only come from local governments.

Perhaps, but you can always change schools or school districts if it's important.

What if the feds insist that everyone in the US must learn creationism in school? Or start pushing racism? Whatcha gonna do?
 
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Perhaps, but you can always change schools or school districts if it's important.

No, what's important is that every single student everywhere be taught about reality. Creationism should not be taught in any school anywhere to anyone. It's BS.

What if the feds insist that everyone in the US must learn creationism in school? Or start pushing racism? Whatcha gonna do?

You let us know when that actually happens, won't you? In every single case in modern memory that such things have been pushed, it hasn't been the federal government doing it, it's come from the state level and below.
 
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People elect the politicians. The politicians make the decisions. Thus we have a representative democracy. That those politicians CHOOSE to make decisions in part based on power connections does not change the fundamental nature of the political system in the US. Change only requires individuals voting in someone else. An actual oligarchy would have no elections, no judicial system, no checks and balances.

So this is just more blame avoidance.

An uneducated electorate creates a plutocracy.
 
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And Libertarians have some of the smallest minds around.

Libertarianism is the most practical system in a country where people are generally apathetic when it comes to electing their leaders but are attentive to their finances.
 
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Libertarianism is the most practical system in a country where people are generally apathetic when it comes to electing their leaders but are attentive to their finances.

Yeah, not so much. First off, the chances of getting a Libertarian candidate elected to high public office is essentially nil, secondly, most people are not at all attentive to their finances and third, libertarianism? Practical? Don't make me laugh. Like I said, some of the smallest, most delusional minds around.
 
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Yeah, not so much. First off, the chances of getting a Libertarian candidate elected to high public office is essentially nil, secondly, most people are not at all attentive to their finances

In the US, people are more attentive to their finances than their electoral decisions (even if their financial attention is still inadequate).

and third, libertarianism? Practical? Don't make me laugh. Like I said, some of the smallest, most delusional minds around.

The delusional minds are those of the right (conservative) wing that keeps electing GOP pols in the hopes that they will create limited govt.
 
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No, what's important is that every single student everywhere be taught about reality. Creationism should not be taught in any school anywhere to anyone. It's BS.
You let us know when that actually happens, won't you? In every single case in modern memory that such things have been pushed, it hasn't been the federal government doing it, it's come from the state level and below.

The point is that you have no control over what the Feds in DC decide on what can be taught in schools but you can with your local school boards. You have more power.

The feds can decide, for example, Islamic studies must be taught in schools but not Christian studies. If you happen to agree with that then you'd be happy. If you feel this is not the mandate of the federal D of E you'd be unhappy. In either case you'd be largely powerless..
 
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The delusional minds are those of the right (conservative) wing that keeps electing GOP pols in the hopes that they will create limited govt.

Yes, that seems to be the case. The government will become ever more powerful and expensive until it collapses on itself. There seems to be little anyone can do.
 
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In the US, people are more attentive to their finances than their electoral decisions (even if their financial attention is still inadequate).

Which is why most people have absurd credit card debt and bankruptcy is rampant, right?

The delusional minds are those of the right (conservative) wing that keeps electing GOP pols in the hopes that they will create limited govt.

Nobody is going to create limited government, especially not the GOP, which are far more liberal than they are conservative. There's nothing conservative about the Republicans and I don't support them as a party, sorry for your assumption.
 
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The point is that you have no control over what the Feds in DC decide on what can be taught in schools but you can with your local school boards. You have more power.

You know, this is exactly where Libertarians and other 3rd parties get absurd. They know that their platforms do not resonate with the American voters, that's why they lose pathetically every single election, yet like a cult, they are supremely convinced that theirs is the only system that makes sense and somehow, there's some vast conspiracy at the top to keep everyone from seeing how wonderful their political philosophy is. They pretend that the Federal Government is an alien entity, imposed on the American people. It's not. It's what the American people want. That's why they voted it in. So instead of continuing to lose pathetically, they want to keep reducing the size of government down to the point where they can stack the deck in some small town somewhere and live in their Libertarian fantasy land. It's laughably absurd.

The feds can decide, for example, Islamic studies must be taught in schools but not Christian studies. If you happen to agree with that then you'd be happy. If you feel this is not the mandate of the federal D of E you'd be unhappy. In either case you'd be largely powerless..

Yeah, but they don't do that, do they? This kind of paranoid delusion that you and other 3rd party people seem to have is absurd. Oh yeah, they can mandate that we dissect babies, that's just paranoid nonsense to think that they actually will. Stop being ridiculous.
 
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But its just so easy to buy into it and root for the underdogs! Everyone likes an entertaining show. Ill just poop this out here.

 
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And Libertarians have some of the smallest minds around.

Greater actually which is why their opponents can only resort to ad hominen.
 
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Greater actually which is why their opponents can only resort to ad hominen.

Mostly because Libertarians don't respond to reason, the only thing left that they can comprehend is laughing at them.
 
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Mostly because Libertarians don't respond to reason, the only thing left that they can comprehend is laughing at them.

You have it backwards.
 
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Clearly not but you're welcome to your delusions.

Clearly so and libertarians face reality qhilw others delude themselves with utopian visions.
 
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All the bickering and baiting and trolling needs to stop NOW. Infractions and thread bans will start occuring. Stay on topic and address the posts, not the posters or poster leans as a side swipe. The thread is about the US being an oligarchy, which per definition is about small groups ruling the masses in a nation.
 
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Prosperity has nothing to do with anything. Are you guys just making up definitions?
It does serve as a good indicator.
 
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Yeah, but they don't do that, do they? This kind of paranoid delusion that you and other 3rd party people seem to have is absurd. Oh yeah, they can mandate that we dissect babies, that's just paranoid nonsense to think that they actually will. Stop being ridiculous.
The point is not that they don't do that the point is that they CAN do that. Right now you have a government you appear to trust, which is fine, but suppose a party of different beliefs takes over and insists that things are run their way. What will you do?

Luckily these negatives views of power corrupting people were instituted through the Constitution to minimize this possibility.

However that document has been bastardized over the past decades to the point where their foresight which kept the country together is being unraveled and undone.
 
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The point is not that they don't do that the point is that they CAN do that. Right now you have a government you appear to trust, which is fine, but suppose a party of different beliefs takes over and insists that things are run their way. What will you do?

I'll let you know when it actually happens, otherwise you're just engaging in the fallacy Reductio ad absurdum. Come back when you have an actual example that has happened in reality. I don't trust the government farther than I can throw it but I know that your examples are laughably ridiculous.
 
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The point is not that they don't do that the point is that they CAN do that. Right now you have a government you appear to trust, which is fine, but suppose a party of different beliefs takes over and insists that things are run their way. What will you do?

Luckily these negatives views of power corrupting people were instituted through the Constitution to minimize this possibility.

However that document has been bastardized over the past decades to the point where their foresight which kept the country together is being unraveled and undone.
But has it really minimized it?
 
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But has it really minimized it?

Not after they watered down the Constitution in order to remove power from the States.. Now it can anything those in power want it to mean.
 
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Not after they watered down the Constitution in order to remove power from the States.. Now it can anything those in power want it to mean.
When you say watered down, do you mean changing the wording?
 
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When you say watered down, do you mean changing the wording?

A few examples of its being watered down are the Unpatriot Act, Military Commissions Act, and the NDAA amendment that nullifies Habeas Corpus.

It is watered down mostly by illegitimate legislative garbage, but also by misguided or treasonous efforts by both the Executive and Judicial branches.
 
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