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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Oh, okay tell me this.. would a US congressman ever put forward legislation banning books or curbing religious freedom? Of course not, but that is exactly what they are doing on state level. The fact that on state level that the electoral districts are so gerrymandered (both sides do it) that certain states will never leave the power of one party only shows the states CAN NOT BE TRUSTED!

    There is a freaking reason you have the Civil Rights act.. because certain racist states wanted segregation and still DO, since they have been slow as hell to remove legislation from the books that promoted it. When one state held a referendum wanting to remove racist segregation wording from its constitution, it barely passed! So dont come here and tell me or anyone else that it is "better" when the state legislature runs things.... because it aint, far from it.
    Like I said, you have no knowledge of the US.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And all those things are by the CHOICE of the voters. No one is forcing them, unlike in a actual oligarchy.
    Merge bribery, coercion, threats, and fear along with a liberal dose of deliberate misinformation, mischaracterizations, and downright lies into the decision making process, and 'choice' becomes a very nebulous if not predictable commodity. The electorate is so dumbed down and so manipulated at this point, choice has almost become a myth.
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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Merge bribery, coercion, threats, and fear along with a liberal dose of deliberate misinformation, mischaracterizations, and downright lies into the decision making process, and 'choice' becomes a very nebulous if not predictable commodity. The electorate is so dumbed down and so manipulated at this point, choice has almost become a myth.
    Very well said!

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Merge bribery, coercion, threats, and fear along with a liberal dose of deliberate misinformation, mischaracterizations, and downright lies into the decision making process, and 'choice' becomes a very nebulous if not predictable commodity. The electorate is so dumbed down and so manipulated at this point, choice has almost become a myth.
    Not true at all - they all have to choose which lobbyist's money they will take, who gets preferential legislative treatment, and who they are going to screw.
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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Not true at all - they all have to choose which lobbyist's money they will take, who gets preferential legislative treatment, and who they are going to screw.
    Very few in the electorate deal with lobbyists in any form and most don't CARE who gets preferential treatment if they feel they are in a preferred group. All the permanent political class has to do is put them in a 'preferred' group and their loyalty is pretty well assured. More than 50% of the electorate is now in at least one 'preferred' group. So all a candidate has to do is spread a few lies and instill some contempt re everybody else, instill a wee bit of fear that somebody's 'preferred status' could be compromised if they vote for the 'other guy', and promise a few freebies, and he is pretty well guaranteed to remain among the permanent political class. A permanent political class that exists purely to increase its own power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth.
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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL that would never work. If anything on local State level it is far far far far worse than in Washington and moving more power to the states would only make it even worse. No what is needed is a comprehensive across the board election law revamp with universal rules and practices and barriers on how much people and companies are allowed to spend on politics.
    You give no explanation for this opinion, only that it would somehow be 'far far far worse'. When a state screws up people can move elsewhere but when the feds screw up, as they are doing now, everyone in the country suffers. States will compete to attract the best people, just as forward thinking countries and companies do, and as many are doing now.

    Yes, all the country needs is more politicians telling the public how much money they can spend on politicians.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Four minutes Googling does not an expert make.
    PeteEU doesn't seem to realize that the Feds can pass all these laws and that it would effect the entire country if they did so.

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    The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    PeteEU doesn't seem to realize that the Feds can pass all these laws and that it would effect the entire country if they did so.
    Pete's logic is based on guesses and personal opinion.


    The logic is quite simple - parents make better decisions regarding their children because they know them well.

    Grandparents do not know the children as well, being removed from the immediate proximity, and are not as well-equipped to decide what is best for the kids.

    Pete also does not recognize that countries in the EU, while they share some commonality, passionately retain their individual identity.

    This is why Pete is so wrong.

    Well, that and the fact that he hates the United States, and pisses on everything that we do and what we stand for.

    I have travelled the world quite a lot over my years, and studied other cultures.

    Even with our faults, I'll take the US any day over any other country. Period.
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