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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by JRSaindo View Post
    Isn't congress supposed to be the voice of the people? Vote FOR the people? So when you elect someone and the overwhelming majority of the people say NO, and they vote YES, it is fine and dandy in your eyes? As in the TARP bailout of 2008. People said hell no, but what do they do? Give the banks trillions and don't prosecute a single soul. That there tells me democracy is dead. The republic is dead. Doesn't matter who you elect, D or R. When a majority are on the taken it doesn't matter.

    To think elections are fair and balanced is another joke. Voter ID comes to mind. Congress is just full of bs and most dolts eat it up because they don't do their own research and form their own opinions. Watching TV news isn't doing research either, they lie worse than CONgress. Start reading every day on the problems of this country and you will realize we are deeply F'ed in the A.
    No, its not fine. Its democracy. This is the result of democracy.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Don't believe that is what the five justices said. And I find it somewhat ironic that you assume the other 4 justices were not influenced by the oligarchy. The question is how do you regulate spending without putting government's finger on the scale and tipping it one way. I bet that a lot of people opposed to McCutcheon support Bloomberg's $50 million to support gun control or NEA, Planned Parenthood, Comcast, NBC, AFSCME, etc., spending.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Was it ever anything but an oligarchy? Is it even possible for it to be anything but an oligarchy in essence?

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    and I don't think those who call themselves "Libertarian" truly understand the consequences inherent in their beliefs.
    The quote says nothing about said consequences.

    Reducing government to bare minimum is the only way to change the oligarchy and restore a true republic.

    That's the consequence inherent in libertarian beliefs. A better place.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    How anyone could call Barack Obama a "socialist" or a "committed Marxist" is simply beyond reason when one looks at the real world
    Agree. So many of his decisions have been crony corporatism. One doesn't raise the money he raised without selling out to the oligarchs. Yet the peasants still buy it. Has the flavor of ancient Rome-as long as you provide free bread and gladiators you can keep the masses appeased.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Reducing government to bare minimum is the only way to change the oligarchy and restore a true republic.

    That's the consequence inherent in libertarian beliefs. A better place.
    So you think a corporate oligarchy would be a better place? I don't think so. That said, it appears that's what the US is evolving into.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    So you think a corporate oligarchy would be a better place? I don't think so. That said, it appears that's what the US is evolving into.
    Corporations would never be able to form oligarchy without government involvement and protection that is the point.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Corporations would never be able to form oligarchy without government involvement and protection that is the point.
    Are you arguing for a government that does not protect private property? If not then your statement is meaningless.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, its not fine. Its democracy. This is the result of democracy.
    Well if we want to dig up semantics, the US is supposed to be a republic. Since America's inception it has slowly morphed into democracy (based on the republic principles, or so we were told), then crony-capitalism and fascism which we have now.
    Bottom line, the people don't have a voice no matter who you elect.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Are you arguing for a government that does not protect private property? If not then your statement is meaningless.
    I do not need to argue for such a government because no such government exists nor can it. Except of course an oligarchy which only pretects the property of vested interests.

    The police , courts, prisons and law cannot protect you , me or anyone else they can only punish law breakers. Even the surpeme court has given more than one verdict on cases which clearly indicate it isnot the duty or job or responsibility of the police etc to protect anyone. They serve society at large ( in theory in reality they serve the government ).

    So why bother with them at all. No mater how many laws you pass or how big the government gets your protection and protection of your property is still your responsibility alone.

    We need some very limited laws and government to punish those who violate the rights of others. Not to protect anything.

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