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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    An oligarchy is not necessarily a totalitarian government. You can have an effective oligarchy while imitating a democratic republic--this is true of government or organizations at all levels.
    Thats still totalitarian. North Korea, for example, has elections. Fake ones. Yet its a oligarchy (a dictatorship really).

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How have the Kennedys made their money?

    The Bush family came by their wealth quite honestly. The rest of your post is juvenile hyperbole
    I don't really know how the Kennedy family made their money, but I'm more than happy to engage in the story and speculation that Joe Kennedy was smuggling alcohol during prohibition. I would much rather associate with rum smugglers than with war criminals, and I would much rather rum smugglers and philanderers ran the government than war criminals did.

    Any curious and open-minded person studying history can discover what Prescott Bush did during WWII with his relations with the Third Reich. Some such curious persons might wonder if his progeny has brought us the Fourth Reich.

    Juvenile hyperbole? Gosh, I love it when you talk dirty!

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It doesn't help that people who should know better don't bother to vote, or stay home in 'protest'.
    Just to play Devil's Advocate, with our 2 party system, for example, the voter has a choice between a Clinton or a Bush. Is that really a choice?

    I happen to always vote 3rd party, just to offer my objection, but most folks don't.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Prosperity has nothing to do with anything. Are you guys just making up definitions?
    What definition did I make up?

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    How anyone could call Barack Obama a "socialist" or a "committed Marxist" is simply beyond reason when one looks at the real world



    2012 Democracy Index places the US in 21st place

    But according to five justices on the Supreme Court bench, there is no political corruption no matter how much money is being spent to influence Congress
    Obama is a fascist, just like Bush. Of course its oligarchy, that had been the goal of the Republocrats for quite some time.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    What definition did I make up?
    Were we ever a democracy? I'm not certain, but it does seem that there was a time when the middle class fairly well prospered in this country.

    Does a prosperous and large middle class mean that a democracy is present? I'm not certain.
    You seem to be implying that prosperity has something to do with defining a democracy.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You seem to be implying that prosperity has something to do with defining a democracy.
    Did you notice the use of questionmarks at the end of 2 of my sentences? Do you know the meaning of "I'm not certain"?

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I feel like we are more of a flawed democracy, where visibility and influence are more important than simple voting, than an oligarchy or plutocracy. Interest groups that mobilize in favor of their goals (civil rights, LGBT, etc.) tend to achieve these goals more rapidly than those that do not. Unfortunately, working-class Americans have rarely if ever been effectively mobilized as an interest group, and so the goals of the wealthy/upper middle-class prevail.
    What's happening is that the politicians in power decide what the issues will be, not the electorate.

    In the last Presidential election they managed to make the issue "A War on Women" and contraceptives, plus the usual racism charges against their opponents. Things that directly effect American lives, such as debt and spending, didn't get much play in the MSM.

    We can see that the stage is being set for more trivialities being the issue in November while crony capitalism, the waste of trillions, the scandals from inside the government, will not grab the public attention. You may as well have 60% of the electorate stoned if the election issues are going to be fought over something like contraceptives.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Just to play Devil's Advocate, with our 2 party system, for example, the voter has a choice between a Clinton or a Bush. Is that really a choice?

    I happen to always vote 3rd party, just to offer my objection, but most folks don't.
    The American people seem to be voting for everything except the long term good of their country, and those who advocate government responsibility will be vilified by those in power and their counterparts in the MSM.. I can't see this changing any time soon.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Did you notice the use of questionmarks at the end of 2 of my sentences? Do you know the meaning of "I'm not certain"?
    Did you notice the one in my post? If you disagreed with my statement, then respond with your own. Dont just keep asking rhetorical questions. What does prosperity have anything to do with whether the US is a democracy?

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