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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Most foreigners feel they know everything there is to know about America. They get it from TV, the movies, and the commercials.
    Sounds like you are projecting. That's where most Americans get there information about America. I'm curious how many foreigners you know, and how you assessed the way they get their information. I've known many who have lived and studied here, and they tend to be extremely well educated and very smart people. It can be valuable to get the perspective of a fresh set of eyes, from someone who views the culture as an outsider. That does not mean they are always correct, but you might learn something by understanding their perspective.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

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    If you consider punishing people who violate private property rights yes but ultimately that is not protection it is retaliation. They cannot protect it only the private owner can.
    So you are saying that such punishment is merely for the sake of giving the victim the satisfaction of revenge.

    So if an armed gang of 100 people overpower a property owner and take his property, the government has no responsibility to intervene to protect the person's property?

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    This may be truth.

    But if so, I think it's only because we let it happen.

    "We" as in "we the people".

    We COULD pay more attention and refuse to elect someone who has even a hint of oligarchical influence.

    But we won't.
    Education.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by GailT View Post
    Sounds like you are projecting. That's where most Americans get there information about America. I'm curious how many foreigners you know, and how you assessed the way they get their information. I've known many who have lived and studied here, and they tend to be extremely well educated and very smart people. It can be valuable to get the perspective of a fresh set of eyes, from someone who views the culture as an outsider. That does not mean they are always correct, but you might learn something by understanding their perspective.
    I live outside of America and have had many years of foreign 'perspective'.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by GailT View Post
    Of course this is just complete nonsense. There are millions of civil servants who are working to give you safe water, healthy food, fight diseases, prevent floods, deliver the mail, fighting crime and provide thousand of other valuable services.
    And you feel none of this could be done without bureaucracies?
    If you want to live in a place where there is no government service, spend a few months in parts of Africa where government has effectively collapsed. I think you'll then appeciate the benefits of government services.
    Odd that you should point out Africa as an example, where government is internationally infamous for its corruption and brutality. This should tell you something about too powerful governments.

    And not everyone has been brainwashed by the Koch brothers and Fox news
    What juvenile silliness.

    but the number of working and middle class people who vote for policies that further enrich the rich and powerful is astonishing.
    The Democrats insist on voting for lawyers and crony capitalism, as we have seen in the case of Barrack Obama. That is ignorance writ large.
    The inheritance tax is a good example - many poor people will vote to eliminate the inheritance tax which only affects a very small number of very rich people.
    Eliminate the rich and who will pay for your food stamps?

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    No, but Wall Street certainly supports him. They were a significant contributor to at least his first campaign. The denizens of Wall Street have a marked presence in his administration.
    Wall Street did very well with Barrack Obama and his bail outs, his connections with GE, Solar Energy companies, the 'stimulus', and the trillions of dollars which just 'disappeared' during his watch.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    [QUOTE=MildSteel;1063173949]So you are saying that such punishment is merely for the sake of giving the victim the satisfaction of revenge.

    So if an armed gang of 100 people overpower a property owner and take his property, the government has no responsibility to intervene to protect the person's property?[/QU

    In your scenario they have already stolen that persons property which clearly shows the government failed to protect it as they always do. Picking up the pieces after the fact is not protecting anything.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    So if the U.S. is an oligarchy and not a democracy, how could bombing and invading a foreign country on the pretext of spreading democracy be justified?

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    So if the U.S. is an oligarchy and not a democracy, how could bombing and invading a foreign country on the pretext of spreading democracy be justified?
    By lying about it spreading democracy perhaps?
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    How anyone could call Barack Obama a "socialist" or a "committed Marxist" is simply beyond reason when one looks at the real world



    2012 Democracy Index places the US in 21st place

    But according to five justices on the Supreme Court bench, there is no political corruption no matter how much money is being spent to influence Congress
    I saw this thread in another thread on this site and replied to it so I'll paste it here.

    Oligarchy... Plutocracy...

    In an age where the five "conservatives" on the supreme court has told us that money isn't property but is in fact speech, and that coporations are people... Oligarchy and plutocracy are just the polite way of saying fascism... hidden under the guise of elections.

    "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

    "Corporations Are People, My Friend" - Mitt Romney
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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