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    Putin tells Edward Snowden: Russia doesn't carry out mass surveillance [W:31]

    President Vladimir Putin has told the National Security Agency whistleblower, Edward Snowden, that Russia is not carrying out mass surveillance programmes of the kind Snowden exposed in the US.
    Snowden made a video-link appearance during Putin's marathon televised question and answer session to ask the president about Russia's attitude to mass surveillance.
    Snowden asked: "Does Russia intercept or store or analyse the communication of millions of individuals?" He went on to ask whether increasing the effectiveness of internal security systems could ever justify such actions.
    To applause from the studio audience, Putin responded: "Mr Snowden you are a former agent, a spy, I used to work for a intelligence service, we are going to talk the same language."

    He said Russia did not have a comparable programme, stating: "Our agents are controlled by law. You have to get court permission to put an individual under surveillance. We don't have mass permission, and our law makes it impossible for that kind of mass permission to exist."


    Putin tells Edward Snowden: Russia doesn't carry out mass surveillance | World news | theguardian.com

    Wow, any claims of idealism this guy had went kaput when he allowed himself to be used like this. Or he's just extremely simple.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Putin tells Edward Snowden: Russia doesn't carry out mass surveillance | World news | theguardian.com

    Wow, any claims of idealism this guy had went kaput when he allowed himself to be used like this. Or he's just extremely simple.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    But isn't it good to hear truth from the horse's mouth!

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Putin tells Edward Snowden: Russia doesn't carry out mass surveillance | World news | theguardian.com

    Wow, any claims of idealism this guy had went kaput when he allowed himself to be used like this. Or he's just extremely simple.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    he had no alternatives. he went into dealings with the devil and now he can't escape.

    I think he is an idealist but he also knows, now more so than before, that he won't be allowed to leave Russia without him paying his dues to the overlord Putin. That's the price you see.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Putin tells Edward Snowden: Russia doesn't carry out mass surveillance | World news | theguardian.com

    Wow, any claims of idealism this guy had went kaput when he allowed himself to be used like this. Or he's just extremely simple.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    In what universe do you believe that Snowden believes it?

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Most definitely this. It saddens me that he felt he had to go to Russia in order to protect himself from our intelligence agencies. I think it speaks volumes about what the US is doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    he had no alternatives. he went into dealings with the devil and now he can't escape.

    I think he is an idealist but he also knows, now more so than before, that he won't be allowed to leave Russia without him paying his dues to the overlord Putin. That's the price you see.
    Hail to the King baby!

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Credibility? The guy first went to China, the most egregious violator of individual rights, freedom and privacy (well, second to North Korea) then he went straight to Russia, arguably the greatest and most productive spy industry in the world (just look at any of their technology, next to a picture of the US version that came first), that is run by a former spy (KGB) Colonel. And gave them everything he had - even if they just took it without his knowledge. Credibility?

    I'm glad that we now know about "metadata gathering" and "domestic surveillance" but to say he went about it the wrong way is an understatement.
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    In what universe do you believe that Snowden believes it?
    That's only if he's stupid. He's allowing himself to be used for propaganda purposes by asking that question on Russian TV as if he was going to get an honest response.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I'm glad that we now know about "metadata gathering" and "domestic surveillance" but to say he went about it the wrong way is an understatement.
    There was no good way to go about it. He had to sacrifice his life to do it - whether or not that was his view or justification or if there was some selfish motive I don't know. I too am glad we know about all of it - without Snowden being the traitor he is, we still would be in the dark.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Putin tells Edward Snowden: Russia doesn't carry out mass surveillance | World news | theguardian.com

    Wow, any claims of idealism this guy had went kaput when he allowed himself to be used like this. Or he's just extremely simple.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    Putin is hardly someone to believe, he's about as slimey and dishonest as Harry Reid, but I'd say it's very likely that Russia doesn't have anything anywhere near what the US has under the NSA. Have you seen that multi-billion dollar facility they have? Russia still operates under cold-war tactics - easier and less costly just to liquidate anyone you don't like.
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    That's only if he's stupid. He's allowing himself to be used for propaganda purposes by asking that question on Russian TV as if he was going to get an honest response.
    I'm not going to deny that. That was Putin's plan all along, but what choice did Snowden have?

    All Snowden did was inform US citizens that their government was spying on them and others among other things. In my book the man is a hero.

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