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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot? [W:31]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Putin tells Edward Snowden: Russia doesn't carry out mass surveillance | World news | theguardian.com

    Wow, any claims of idealism this guy had went kaput when he allowed himself to be used like this. Or he's just extremely simple.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    Do you really think the Kremlin would have allowed Snowden to phrase the question how he wanted to? You think they would let him get away with openly criticizing the Russian govt?

    He is attacked for not criticizing the Russian government. When he finally makes an attempt (though through only a sanitized Q&A) he gets criticized for that, too.

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    He's allowing himself to be used for propaganda purposes by asking that question on Russian TV as if he was going to get an honest response.
    What makes you think he expected an honest response from Putin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I hate the programs he exposed, but this douche put you, me and my family at risk. And for that, I'll never forgive him.
    This makes no sense. You hate the programs, yet you think by exposing the programs that makes us vulnerable? Tell us how you really feel about the NSA spy program. And how has Snowden directly hurt your family?
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot? [W:31]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Putin tells Edward Snowden: Russia doesn't carry out mass surveillance | World news | theguardian.com

    Wow, any claims of idealism this guy had went kaput when he allowed himself to be used like this. Or he's just extremely simple.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    IMO, there was probably nothing idealistic about Mr. Snowden. He was disenchanted with the U.S., and that disenchantment led to his becoming a free agent opportunist. He almost certainly gave all of his information to both China and Russia.

    Russia has exploited his naivete, as well, in granting him asylum under terms that can only fall in its favor. He received a year's asylum. Russia can extend that asylum but has not guaranteed to do so. Under those terms, Mr. Snowden has an incentive to remain useful to Moscow. His appearance was very likely part of the role he now plays in order to hang onto his asylum. Contrary to what some of his supporters claim, there was nothing courageous about his offering President Putin a slam-dunk question that the Russian President could only use to try to differentiate Russia from the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post

    Exposing and confirming that our government is committing treason is NOT treason.
    Especially when he had no legal avenue to turn to. There are no whistleblower protections for someone in his position. He did the best he could to expose an illegal program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You conveniently leave out that much of what he revealed was global intelligence processes that are directly involved with national security. It's not just home-based information he revealed.
    He was selective in what he exposed. Sure, some of it was global intelligence. Do you really think our Merkel spying put the average American at risk?

    What libertarians don't understand is that, while your ideology sounds really nice in some ways, your country would last a nanosecond in this evil world. Some government is unfortunately quite necessary.
    It is overzealous government that make this a dangerous world.

    As a conservative, I can support some of what he did, but not when he runs to China and Russia,
    He did not want to end up in China and Russia. If you remember, he wanted to go to either Iceland or Ecuador. He is stuck. That does not mean he loves the place where he's stuck.

    and no doubt, undoes years of intelligence work on America's part.
    If the program was illegal then all its intelligence should be trashed... just as illegally-obtained evidence should not be admissable in the courtroom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Especially when he had no legal avenue to turn to. There are no whistleblower protections for someone in his position. He did the best he could to expose an illegal program.
    Well, he mostly had no avenue because he didn't discover or reveal anything illegal.
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    This makes no sense. You hate the programs, yet you think by exposing the programs that makes us vulnerable? Tell us how you really feel about the NSA spy program. And how has Snowden directly hurt your family?
    It should make sense if you realize that the program of domestic spying (the one that seems to only get talked about and the one I don't like) is not the only program or secrets that this guy exposed to the world.
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Like anyone believes the world's most famous authoritarian spy on the subject of secret surveillance
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