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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There was no good way to go about it. He had to sacrifice his life to do it - whether or not that was his view or justification or if there was some selfish motive I don't know. I too am glad we know about all of it - without Snowden being the traitor he is, we still would be in the dark.
    With the technology that exists today, he could have given it all to a US newspaper and gotten the same result, and he could have gone to a country without an extradition treaty with the US without taking all the secrets with him for anyone to look at.

    The newspaper could print the story and keep sensitive material out of the public eye. They do that all the time.

    We still would have had the same response from the public as we have now, and the Chinese and the Russians wouldn't have all our damned secrets.

    He's the worst traitor that this country has ever seen.

    I hate the programs he exposed, but this douche put you, me and my family at risk. And for that, I'll never forgive him.
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Credibility? The guy first went to China, the most egregious violator of individual rights, freedom and privacy (well, second to North Korea) then he went straight to Russia, arguably the greatest and most productive spy industry in the world (just look at any of their technology, next to a picture of the US version that came first), that is run by a former spy (KGB) Colonel. And gave them everything he had - even if they just took it without his knowledge. Credibility?

    I'm glad that we now know about "metadata gathering" and "domestic surveillance" but to say he went about it the wrong way is an understatement.
    To say "he went to Russia, He went to China" is a b.s. argument. He went to countries that didn't have extradition treaties and wouldn't be afraid to let the U.S. know about it. You recall how the Columbian president's plane was forced to land and was then boarded as agents searched for Snowden.

    Where was Snowden supposed to go? The pussified French? Our best friends in Britain? He did have a shot with Iceland but in the end they said no.

    This is a real question and not a rhetorical one: where was Snowden supposed to go?
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There was no good way to go about it. He had to sacrifice his life to do it - whether or not that was his view or justification or if there was some selfish motive I don't know. I too am glad we know about all of it - without Snowden being the traitor he is, we still would be in the dark.
    That's BS. We already knew. He didn't reveal anything new. Even if there was, he could have gone about his "moral obligations" in a morally sound way. He's a traitor for personal glory.

    You are engaging in idol worship.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    To say "he went to Russia, He went to China" is a b.s. argument. He went to countries that didn't have extradition treaties and wouldn't be afraid to let the U.S. know about it. You recall how the Columbian president's plane was forced to land and was then boarded as agents searched for Snowden.

    Where was Snowden supposed to go? The pussified French? Our best friends in Britain? He did have a shot with Iceland but in the end they said no.

    This is a real question and not a rhetorical one: where was Snowden supposed to go?
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    With the technology that exists today, he could have given it all to a US newspaper and gotten the same result, and he could have gone to a country without an extradition treaty with the US without taking all the secrets with him for anyone to look at.

    The newspaper could print the story and keep sensitive material out of the public eye. They do that all the time.
    I totally disagree. The WH and NSA would have swooped in said this is a matter of national security and told them they cannot print or run a story on it. If he sent it to any media outlet they would not have run it period.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    We still would have had the same response from the public as we have now, and the Chinese and the Russians wouldn't have all our damned secrets.
    Frankly, our country deserves everything they get. It's a ****ty way to do things especially spying on your own people which is against the law, against the constitution and the intent of pretty much everything we as American's hold dear like liberty and freedom.

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    He's the worst traitor that this country has ever seen.
    I'm still glad he did it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I hate the programs he exposed, but this douche put you, me and my family at risk. And for that, I'll never forgive him.
    I don't think it's put me at risk at all. He's let out the dirty laundry our government has been doing to it's own people. Maybe this will serve as a flashpoint of change and our government and secret services won't be such douche's in the future.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's BS. We already knew. He didn't reveal anything new. Even if there was, he could have gone about his "moral obligations" in a morally sound way. He's a traitor for personal glory.

    You are engaging in idol worship.
    Personal glory?

    The guy is ironically stuck in Russia for ****s sake.

    The federal government are the traitors - they're the ones pissing all over the Bill of Rights.

    As far as I'm concerned you're a tyrant for defending the government and bashing Snowden.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    This twerp comes off as nothing more than a psychotic, disconnected, self-aggrandizing, duped traitor.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Personal glory?
    15 minutes of fame, secretary style. He couldn't know it would land him as a Putin lapdog.

    As far as I'm concerned you're a tyrant for defending the government and bashing Snowden.
    What has ever given you the impression that anyone here could give a crap?

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Stay in America and become a media darling and hero?
    Yeah right.... The tyrannical authoritarian government wants Snowden in prison on charges of treason for reveling and confirming their tyrannical secrets.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Useful Idiot?u

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's BS. We already knew. He didn't reveal anything new. Even if there was, he could have gone about his "moral obligations" in a morally sound way. He's a traitor for personal glory.

    You are engaging in idol worship.
    If we knew everything he revealed it would have been a non story and you would have your panties in a wad over it.

    I'd rather worship an idol than what you worship - which is apparently a corrupt and ever expanding government. BRING ON THE IDOLS!!
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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