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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Read the thread. It isn't one idiot with a photocopier.
    I did read the thread and the source article said this: "it's unclear if the leaflets were issued by the pro-Russian leadership or a splinter group operating within the pro-Russian camp".

    So yes, it looks like it is an idiot (in this case a Russian idiot) with a photocopier. Also, in my mind, the advisal to bring your "$50.00 registration fee" points to the idiot possibility.

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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

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    Right, cause Israel is going to militarily invade East Ukraine. You, and Mr. Nick with your guns, take your threadjacking elsewhere, please.
    Threadjacking? I pulled that idea right from one of the articles you posted:

    The Israel Air Force aerial demonstration over the death camps in Auschwitz conveyed a clear message that the State would secure the safety of the world's Jews even in foreign countries,"
    Ukrainian Jews seek urgent help from Israel - Israel Jewish Scene, Ynetnews

    So at least this one Rabbi in Ukraine wants exactly that - military involvement from Israel.


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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Well, that's a headline you never want to see unless you're doing a history report on the lead-up to World War II.



    Ah, according to Israeli media. The order was probably given to everyone as some part of bizarre census and "Israeli media" are just making it out like Jews specifically were being targeted.



    Oh.



    Yes, Olga, you probably wouldn't, because that's how antisemitism rolls in Europe, West and East: something terrible is done to the Jews there, then a horror takes over at what has just been done and everyone learns their lesson for the next century (give or take a few years) until the whole thing happens all over again.

    Why Jews continue to remain especially in East Europe is a mystery to me.
    They are being cagey about the veracity of the leaflets because the separatist leader, Pushilin, stupidly pushed himself into a corner by acknowledging that they came from his organization but he 'wasn't sure if they were authorized'. I'm sure they are being roundly scolded for that foolish admission and I wouldn't be surprised if there is damage control from the Russian side going on behind the scenes as this is potentially embarrassing in the extreme.

    It isn't that surprising though. For all the (mostly exaggerated) clamor about the Right Sector there is an astonishing level of antisemitism present among the "Cossacks" and ultra-nationalists who have led the unrest.

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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Threadjacking? I pulled that idea right from one of the articles you posted:



    Ukrainian Jews seek urgent help from Israel - Israel Jewish Scene, Ynetnews

    So at least this one Rabbi in Ukraine wants exactly that - military involvement from Israel.
    It's just that it is so far outside the realm of possibility that discussing it just distracts from the issue under discussion in the OP.

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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The intent is no different than making firearm owners register here in the United States.
    Wrong. Requiring someone to register their firearm is because of something they're doing or have done. Requiring Jews to register is because of what they were when they were born.
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    If this is real then it is going to dramatically alter the situation. It's simply too evocative of Naziism to go unchecked. I would imagine that this isn't real, and is merely a small anti-Semitic group in Ukraine or in Russia attempting to take advantage of the chaotic situation. But we should find out either way. Bringing a religious edge to the conflict and targeting what are essentially bystanders will bring more parties into it. Israel may be the first, but other western nations will likely follow suit. I really find it hard to believe that any nation (besides the overly Muslim ones) would adopt a policy of anti-Semitism. There is no way to make that fly. It automatically turns you into the bad guys. It's too parallel to the Holocaust.
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    It's just that it is so far outside the realm of possibility that discussing it just distracts from the issue under discussion in the OP.
    Exactly, and said by one Rabbi, no less.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Wrong. Requiring someone to register their firearm is because of something they're doing or have done. Requiring Jews to register is because of what they were when they were born.

    Please don't encourage him.

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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I did read the thread and the source article said this: "it's unclear if the leaflets were issued by the pro-Russian leadership or a splinter group operating within the pro-Russian camp".

    So yes, it looks like it is an idiot (in this case a Russian idiot) with a photocopier. Also, in my mind, the advisal to bring your "$50.00 registration fee" points to the idiot possibility.
    You didn't read it very thoroughly then. There are multiple reports of antisemitic acts.

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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    After your explanation it seems our knowledge of Eastern Europe is quite clear.
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    The people I referenced in my reply were painting the picture that eastern europe was full of rabid anti-semites, which is not true. It's actually very far from the truth. The only reason the jews are not being intimidated as they are is the same reason the tartars were intimidated when Crimea was occupied. To silence dissent. Tartars were overwhelmingly against Russian annexation of Crimea and so are the jews. It's more to do with practical reasons than anti-semitism. Anyone who tries to say otherwise is lying and promoting a false agenda.

    EDIT: To be clear. I'm not saying each and every member of a group that does this has no anti-semitic feelings. I'm saying that the groups who are promoting these leaflets and this message are not doing it primarily out of anti-semitic reasons. they're doing this to silence anti-russian dissent. It just so happens that a lot of jewish organizations in Ukraine have been very vocally pro-Ukraine, just like tartars in Crimea. Again, not anti-semitism, it's about keeping peoples' mouths shut in regards to any pro-ukranian sentiment.

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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    This OP story gives me chills and it's not because of the temperature outside. It's almost as if these separatists were baiting the rest of the world by doing this and daring anyone to defy it.
    Who is saying it is the separatists? The government in Kiev have links to neo-nazi anti-Semitics that could easily be behind this as well.
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