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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And you missed my point which was and is, it doesn't matter what the actual reason may or may not be given the history and 6 million jews murdered during the holocaust as well as the still present anti-semitism in Europe. Do you understand yet?
    The Holocaust horror competes with the horror of the Holomodor which killed 7.5 million Ukrainians in one year. This mindset of Jews being special victims of genocide doesn't get as much traction in societies which have suffered their own genocides. So because the culture doesn't elevate the Holocaust as highly as we do in the horror category in the West, they're not as sensitive to the issue. Ask regular Americans to describe what the Holomodor was. Why don't we know? Aren't the lives of 7.5 million dead Ukrainians worth honoring?

    Secondly, because they're not ignorant of the Holocaust, I wouldn't put it past the militia to play up on the allusion to history. They're looking to intimidate and this is a very effective tool to achieve that end. They're not as culturally restricted in trotting out this tool due to their own history with genocide.

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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Mosby View Post
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Turns out the "jewish registry," was just some more BS, probably a high school stunt, that the politicians wanted to run with.

    When people WANT to believe, it's very easy to fool them.

    It smelled funny from the beginning. Pure propaganda. Mindmush sheeple food.



    Secretary of State John Kerry spoke from Geneva on Thursday with appalling news about religious intolerance in the Ukrainian-Russian crisis.

    "In the last couple of days, notices were sent to Jews in one city indicating that they had to identify themselves as Jews," Kerry said. "In the year 2014, after all of the miles traveled and all of the journey of history, this is not just intolerable; it's grotesque."

    On Facebook and Twitter, the public feared the history of the Holocaust was repeating itself.

    At PolitiFact, we’re used to finding inconsistencies in media coverage of Ukraine, so we wanted to take a closer look at the situation. We found that Ukrainian Jews are not being forced to register. <snip>

    John Kerry says Jews in eastern Ukraine told to register | PolitiFact

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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Turns out the "jewish registry," was just some more BS, probably a high school stunt, that the politicians wanted to run with.

    When people WANT to believe, it's very easy to fool them.

    It smelled funny from the beginning. Pure propaganda. Mindmush sheeple food.



    Secretary of State John Kerry spoke from Geneva on Thursday with appalling news about religious intolerance in the Ukrainian-Russian crisis.

    "In the last couple of days, notices were sent to Jews in one city indicating that they had to identify themselves as Jews," Kerry said. "In the year 2014, after all of the miles traveled and all of the journey of history, this is not just intolerable; it's grotesque."

    On Facebook and Twitter, the public feared the history of the Holocaust was repeating itself.

    At PolitiFact, we’re used to finding inconsistencies in media coverage of Ukraine, so we wanted to take a closer look at the situation. We found that Ukrainian Jews are not being forced to register. <snip>

    John Kerry says Jews in eastern Ukraine told to register | PolitiFact
    People earlier in the thread have stated that Pushilin admitted that it came from his organization but was not a decision on the part of his organization. If that's true, then saying it as "having no connection" with the fliers is a bit dishonest, don't you think?
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    I don't know if I would put too much stock in an admission. He may have just accepted that as true and admitted it rather than being caught denying something if it turned out to be true. After all, they were wearing uniforms and had symbols of the Donetsk Republic. Since there is not a lot of organization amongst them he may have considered it possible and thus better to say it was some rogue members. You could just as easily have some people pretending to be part of the pro-Russian groups disseminating such fliers to try and tarnish their reputation.
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The Holocaust horror competes with the horror of the Holomodor which killed 7.5 million Ukrainians in one year. This mindset of Jews being special victims of genocide doesn't get as much traction in societies which have suffered their own genocides. So because the culture doesn't elevate the Holocaust as highly as we do in the horror category in the West, they're not as sensitive to the issue. Ask regular Americans to describe what the Holomodor was. Why don't we know? Aren't the lives of 7.5 million dead Ukrainians worth honoring?

    Secondly, because they're not ignorant of the Holocaust, I wouldn't put it past the militia to play up on the allusion to history. They're looking to intimidate and this is a very effective tool to achieve that end. They're not as culturally restricted in trotting out this tool due to their own history with genocide.
    The world was not ignorant of democide or mass atrocity before the Holocaust. What made the Holocaust so significant and so seared into our collective conscience is the uniqueness of its horror. That being said the Holodomer is widely recognized, in the US for example there is a national memorial in Washington DC and a day of remembrance. It is less well known because it antedates the mass atrocities of the Second World War and because scholars continue to wrangle over the details. The background, intentions, and purpose of the events which led to the Holodomer remain hotly debated in academic circles.

    None of this alters the reality that there is a deep vein of anti-semitism in Ukraine, probably moreso than any other European country possibly even Russia.

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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Mosby View Post
    This whole thing is without a doubt yet another false flag operation initiated by the jews themselves that is intended to outrage and force America, and others, into the conflict.
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Conspiracy theorists like you always fascinate me.
    It isn't a "theory" if it's true:

    Email intercepts that included the original copies of anti-Semitic leaflets distributed in Eastern Ukraine have now been shown to be part of an elaborate false flag hoax to sabotage recent US-Russian talks.
    PressTV - Ukraine Jew registration hoax traced

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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Great, now Israel will get involved. That's just what the situation calls for. Not. It will be interesting to see how it is handled if they do get involved. After all, Israel protecting the Jews in Ukraine isn't far off from Putin protecting the Russians. Is this only in Eastern Ukraine, or is it all over Ukraine?
    Nawww the Israeli faction in this country will demand we protect the Jews in Eastern Europe. Nutty Yawho isn't crazy enough to go toe to toe with Putin on Russia's doorstep. However I can see him demanding the USofA should do something... as a friend of Israel, ya understand...

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