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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The intent is no different than making firearm owners register here in the United States.
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Just came across this info less than 5 mins ago: Relax, Ukraine is Not Ordering Its Jews to Register | New Republic
    Good to know. However worth keeping an eye on...

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    On the other hand, says Vladimir Fedorin, an independent Russian journalist working in Ukraine, we shouldn't totally dismiss these fliers. "I think the fliers are fake, but the anti-Maidan crowd is a collection of the hardcore 'alternative' variety and criminals, so it's possible some of them are capable of this." To wit, there were also reports of teenagers distributing these fliers.
    Everyone I think knows there are groups capable of this... well... almost everyone.
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Ah, according to Israeli media. The order was probably given to everyone as some part of bizarre census and "Israeli media" are just making it out like Jews specifically were being targeted.
    I'm sure some people had a similar reaction to Hitler targeting Jews as well.
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Wrong. Requiring someone to register their firearm is because of something they're doing or have done. Requiring Jews to register is because of what they were when they were born.
    Wrong. Requiring someone to register their firearm has nothing to do with something they're doing or have done. That's a rather shallow and completely incorrect view of the situation. Millions of gun owners have done nothing to have to register their firearms. Ever heard of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution?

    Its more like a fascist approach, just like requiring Jews to register themselves because of their religion.
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Equating registering Jews with registering firearms.
    That didn't take long .
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    Because controls making it harder for felons and insane people to get guns is the same as ovens? Somebody needs to explain that one to me. I don't understand.
    I'll be happy to explain it to you.

    Registration leads to confiscation or creating criminals out of law abiding citizens who wish to not turn in their firearms, like with Connecticut's and NY's new gun laws.

    Registration and licensing have no effect on crime, as criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. Indeed, a national survey of prisoners conducted by Wright and Rossi for the Department of Justice found that 82% agreed that "gun laws only affect law-abiding citizens; criminals will always be able to get guns."

    Further, felons are constitutionally exempt from a gun registration requirement. According to the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Haynes v. U.S., since felons are prohibited by law from possessing a firearm, compelling them to register firearms would violate the Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination. 8 Only law-abiding citizens would be required to comply with registration--citizens who have neither committed crime nor have any intention of doing so.
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Registration leads to confiscation or creating criminals out of law abiding citizens
    Citizens choose not to obey registration laws.
    That makes them criminals.

    Nobody wants to confiscate the guns of honest citizens.
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    This is obviously another lie written by the usual suspects that is designed to get America involved in yet another war that is not our fight. It is just like the "weapons of mass destruction" lie in Iraq. It's just like the Syria using chemical weapons on their own people lie, etc,etc,etc. The "unmentionables" who run the media make up these lies to involve us in their conflicts. Everything's about the unmentionables, don't you know? And we have a lying, completely corrupt media that the unmentionables control and a few hundred million sports fan type idiots that believe everything they say.

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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    There are antisemites in all parts of Ukraine and on both sides of the political and linguistic divide. Svoboda, whose leader has made notoriously antisemitic remarks, has gotten 30% or more support in several provinces of western Ukraine. One of the co-founders of that party is now a Fatherland party member (Tymoshenko's party) who ran the Maidan self-defense groups and currently heads the National Security and Defense Council. No matter who you side with in this matter, you have to be worried about antisemitism. Should there be a civil war there then you can expect attacks on the Jewish community all over Ukraine and by factions on all sides.

    Also, if the head of the ADL is saying people are overplaying antisemitism, then you have to go along with them, mainly because the ADL love to overplay antisemitism and are not prone to downplaying it.
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Mosby View Post
    This is obviously another lie written by the usual suspects that is designed to get America involved in yet another war that is not our fight.
    It is just like the "weapons of mass destruction" lie in Iraq.
    It's just like the Syria using chemical weapons on their own people lie, etc,etc,etc. The "unmentionables" who run the media make up these lies to involve us in their conflicts.
    Everything's about the unmentionables, don't you know? And we have a lying, completely corrupt media that the unmentionables control and a few hundred million sports fan type idiots that believe everything they say.
    What a Clownish piece of conspiracist anti-semitica by Mosby.
    Baseless as well.
    If any treachery at all, it's probably one side trying to discredit the other.

    There's no chance in anyone's [sane] mind that the USA is getting involved because of this or anything else. It ain't.
    You post BaseLess Elders-of-Zion garbage, never shedding any light.
    If anything is clear/well-founded, it's that Jews did Not manufacture this story, nor any other you uncontrollably Drooled up.
    By ALL accounts there are plenty of Jew-haters on both sides of the barricades.. we don't need one here too.


    Quote Originally Posted by http://time.com/67272/ukraine-jew-register-donetsk/

    "....The separatists’ ideology rests on two claims that were hard to defend even without their new anti-Semitic label. First, they have said that Ukraine’s revolution in February brought fascists to power in Kiev, and second, they have insisted that armed separatism is the only way to keep those fascists from taking over eastern Ukraine. At the entrance to their “People’s Republic,” on top of a pile of tires, is a poster with a big, crossed-out swastika and the words “No Fascism.” So for them to be seen as anti-Semites is a particularly painful irony.

    That was part of the reason suspicion fell on their political opponents as soon as the fliers started making the rounds online. Dmitro Tkachenko, who helped organize a large rally in Donetsk on Thursday to support the unity of Ukraine, called the flier “a brilliant piece of disinformation” against the separatists. Asked if one of his fellow activists for Ukrainian unity could have staged it, Tkachenko says it’s possible. “But this is a sophisticated trick, and to be honest, I don’t think any of our folks are that smart,” he tells TIME.

    More likely, Tkachenko says, the fliers were the work of an opportunistic splinter group, from separatists who just want to make money from their newfound impunity.
    Over the past week, they have managed to seize numerous government buildings in Donetsk, most recently the city hall on Wednesday, without any resistance from the police. “But their movement is very divided,” says Tkachenko. It includes various groups of armed thugs who answer to no single leader. So it’s quite possible that some of the more entrepreneurial goons among them just felt like making a bit of extortion money on the side.

    Instead, they seem to have intensified the backlash against all their fellow separatists. The rally on Thursday gathered at least two thousand people, not bad considering that the local police had warned locals to stay away, citing concerns of a separatist attack on the demonstration. As for the Jewish community, its members have no intention of showing up to register their property with the vigilantes of the People’s Republic or anyone else. “It looked like a pretty stupid provocation,” says Larissa Loyko, a representative of civil society organization the Jewish Foundation of Ukraine.
    She suspects the separatists may indeed have been behind it, because Jewish leaders openly supported Ukraine’s revolution this winter.".."
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    Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I'll be happy to explain it to you.

    Registration leads to confiscation or creating criminals out of law abiding citizens who wish to not turn in their firearms, like with Connecticut's and NY's new gun laws.



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