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    Re: Smoking cannabis just once a week can damage young brains

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If you read your own link, you'll recognize that it was still only 97 test subjects and half of them were selected intentionally because they had schizophrenia. The article's primary claim is that it can cause schizophrenia.

    That seems kind of obvious when you go out of your way to make sure half of the subjects were schizophrenics. Is anybody surprised there were some abnormal brains in that group?
    When you are running a test to compare the brain structure of pot smokers and schizophrenics it is pretty important to include schizophrenics in the study.
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    Re: Smoking cannabis just once a week can damage young brains

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    From experience with people that did smoke pot when they were young, I can say I could believe it. Many of the guys I know that have smoked since they were 15-16 are, well... impaired.
    Based on an informal Facebook poll of the guys I spent pretty much all of high school getting drunk and high with we have the following:

    One named executive (Chief Service Officer) of a regional telecommunications company.
    Three chiropractors (very close friends who all decided to do the same things with their lives).
    Three lawyers.
    Five business executives (managing director, president, three vice presidents).
    Four professionals (jobs requiring professional Masters Degree credentials).
    Three small business owners.
    Once Army First Sergeant.
    And one stock broker who has more money than the rest of us on that list combined.

    Additionally a bunch of the fellas aren't hanging off the top two or three percent of the socioeconomic ladder but they've got decent jobs, beautiful families, and it would seem they're generally pretty happy with their lives.

    Sure, there are also a small handful who aren't doing so well and aren't that happy, some are drunks, some are burnouts, some never amounted to much. There's one who's in a wheelchair as a result of having run from the police on a motorcycle (while in possession of cocaine and with a warrant out for him at the time) which he crashed, and I know of two, unrelated to my FB study, who are dead as a result of substance abuse (one OD and one killed himself driving drunk).

    By and large, though, looking at the above, and understand that these are guys who I KNOW were smoking pot (at least on a several-times-a-week, if not daily, basis for much of high school) from the age if sixteen through college (at least) it doesn't seem that, as a group, we've turned out significantly worse than any arbitrary cross section of American society.

    I won't dispute the findings of this (alarmingly small) study, because I'm certainly not in a position to do so.

    I do however question the relevance of the results.

    So smoking pot when you're a kid causes an enlargement of the "nucleus accumbens".

    Okay.

    So what?
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    Re: Smoking cannabis just once a week can damage young brains

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    No, they're not. Another lie from Navy Pride.

    Also, there are no "left-wing polls." I don't think you understand how scientific polling works.
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    Re: Smoking cannabis just once a week can damage young brains

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I should have clarified that there's no left wing polls that I cite, which NP was clearly accusing me of.
    I wouldn't use the poll I cited as evidence of anything significant either. I agree the sample size in the OP poll is tiny. They did find some interesting stuff, though. We'll just have to wait until more significant studies are conducted before serious conclusions might be reached that will stand up under scrutiny. Unless there are underlying medical reasons which justify it, children and teenagers shouldn't be smoking pot anyway.

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    Re: Smoking cannabis just once a week can damage young brains

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Either I worded that wrong or you read it wrong. I'm opposed to restricting access to drugs like marijuana to minors. Most people support policies that would restrict a minors right to gain access to what they desire to purchase if it proven harmful, while I'm against such things in all cases.
    Children are not adults. Would you give a five year old a drivers license?
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    Re: Smoking cannabis just once a week can damage young brains

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Children are not adults. Would you give a five year old a drivers license?
    While it's true that children are not adults, it is incorrect to argue they don't have rights towards own person and that it is permissible for the state to fail to protect their rights due to their age. If an adult has the right to harm themselves then I have no reason to conclude that children do not have the same right towards their own person, and therefore I do not consider it right for the state to act on children by stopping them from purchasing certain goods on the open market for personal consumption.

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    Re: Smoking cannabis just once a week can damage young brains

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    While it's true that children are not adults, it is incorrect to argue they don't have rights towards own person and that it is permissible for the state to fail to protect their rights due to their age. If an adult has the right to harm themselves then I have no reason to conclude that children do not have the same right towards their own person, and therefore I do not consider it right for the state to act on children by stopping them from purchasing certain goods on the open market for personal consumption.
    As good an example of Poe's Law as I've seen in a while.

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    Re: Smoking cannabis just once a week can damage young brains

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Based on an informal Facebook poll of the guys I spent pretty much all of high school getting drunk and high with we have the following:

    One named executive (Chief Service Officer) of a regional telecommunications company.
    Three chiropractors (very close friends who all decided to do the same things with their lives).
    Three lawyers.
    Five business executives (managing director, president, three vice presidents).
    Four professionals (jobs requiring professional Masters Degree credentials).
    Three small business owners.
    Once Army First Sergeant.
    And one stock broker who has more money than the rest of us on that list combined.

    Additionally a bunch of the fellas aren't hanging off the top two or three percent of the socioeconomic ladder but they've got decent jobs, beautiful families, and it would seem they're generally pretty happy with their lives.

    Sure, there are also a small handful who aren't doing so well and aren't that happy, some are drunks, some are burnouts, some never amounted to much. There's one who's in a wheelchair as a result of having run from the police on a motorcycle (while in possession of cocaine and with a warrant out for him at the time) which he crashed, and I know of two, unrelated to my FB study, who are dead as a result of substance abuse (one OD and one killed himself driving drunk).

    By and large, though, looking at the above, and understand that these are guys who I KNOW were smoking pot (at least on a several-times-a-week, if not daily, basis for much of high school) from the age if sixteen through college (at least) it doesn't seem that, as a group, we've turned out significantly worse than any arbitrary cross section of American society.

    I won't dispute the findings of this (alarmingly small) study, because I'm certainly not in a position to do so.

    I do however question the relevance of the results.

    So smoking pot when you're a kid causes an enlargement of the "nucleus accumbens".

    Okay.

    So what?
    Thanks for that. And, very a interesting case study, that seems to have more detail than the OP study.

    In the statement you quoted, I said many, not all. And I also admitted that my experience is limited as well.

    So again, thanks for giving this informative data.
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    Re: Smoking cannabis just once a week can damage young brains

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    How are we defining "young people"?
    doctors found that young adults who used the drug only recreationally had "abnormal alterations" to the nucleus accumbens and the amygdala.
    Second paragraph...

    Smoking cannabis just once a week can damage young brains | Toowoomba Chronicle

    A young adult, according to Erik Erikson's stages of human development, is generally a person in the age range of 20 to 40,
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    Re: Smoking cannabis just once a week can damage young brains

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post

    The last paragraph was pretty interesting, too.


    Peter Jones, professor of psychiatry at the University of Cambridge, said the study was interesting but inconclusive. "The research is limited as it is only a small study, it is not known whether the reported changes in the brain are necessarily bad. Furthermore, as they didn't measure the brains before and after, it's possible that people with a larger accumbens are more likely to take cannabis."

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