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    Re: Study finds brain changes in young marijuana users

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I knew the apologists would show up.
    I do not smoke pot and I do drink, and even I see the relevance of his question, and furthermore fail to see YOUR point. The criticisms of your acceptance of the headline and lack of critical analysis of the substance of the news article are valid, and you have not addressed them. If you want to be taken seriously, get at it.
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    Re: Casual marijuana use linked with brain abnormalities, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Well, I guess you know more than the medical and neuroscience communities. Depression is just something people should will themselves out of as all chemicals are just placebos.
    I go back to my initial question: Did your doctor prescribe your marijuana? I never said people need to "will themselves" out of depression. You seem completely unfamiliar with the vast amount of study done on non-chemical treatments for depression...

    So clearly I'm just emotionally disturbed.
    Depression is an emotional disorder

    Maybe I was raped as a child and I just repressed it. Thanks doc.
    I never said you were. I never even argued that you problem wasn't genetic.


    The brain functions through the secretion of chemicals that must interact in certain ways in order to properly function. If you have an imbalance in certain areas of your brain, you are going to have issues, and no amount of will power will change that.
    Will power and coping mechanisms aren't the same thing. But I would also add that no amount of hallucinogen is going to replace the missing natural brain chemistry.

    But by all means, don't let any patient testimonies interfere with your anti-cannabis crusade. We're all a bunch of unemployed degenerates anyway, amirite?
    Never said that either. But on your note I am sure I can get a list of testimonials from depressed alcoholics as well as to the benefits of being drunk. That doesn't make it a good for you, or a viable option for treating depression.
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    Re: Casual marijuana use linked with brain abnormalities, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Not a fair comparison. This study was of casual users who smoke once or twice a week. What are the health effects of drinking once or twice a week?
    This marijuana "study" had a sample size of 40 people. Its not a fair comparison, since I was using an ACTUAL study.
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    Re: Casual marijuana use linked with brain abnormalities, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I go back to my initial question: Did your doctor prescribe your marijuana? I never said people need to "will themselves" out of depression. You seem completely unfamiliar with the vast amount of study done on non-chemical treatments for depression...



    Depression is an emotional disorder



    I never said you were. I never even argued that you problem wasn't genetic.




    Will power and coping mechanisms aren't the same thing. But I would also add that no amount of hallucinogen is going to replace the missing natural brain chemistry.



    Never said that either. But on your note I am sure I can get a list of testimonials from depressed alcoholics as well as to the benefits of being drunk. That doesn't make it a good for you, or a viable option for treating depression.
    About a minute after my original post I updated it to include an answer to the doctor question, so feel free to check it and respond. (Yes a fully licensed psychiatrist recommended it to me)

    THC and CBD have been shown to be treatment for things like Alzheimers. The glaring logical fallacy here is that you admit that cannabis changes the brain, but assert that it can only be a bad change. I come to you agreeing that marijuana can change the brain, and telling you that I have personally benefitted from one of these changes. You then tell me that I'm wrong and that it was obviously just a placebo.

    Does it not seem to be a little illogical to believe that cannabis can change the brain but NEVER for the good?
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    Re: Casual marijuana use linked with brain abnormalities, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    This marijuana "study" had a sample size of 40 people. Its not a fair comparison, since I was using an ACTUAL study.
    Medical studies often have small sample sizes like this. When a study finds a statistically significant trend all this means is that the rate of the occurrence of the anomaly being studied in the group exceeds the margin of error in the general population. A sample size of 40 is about a 16% margin of error (actual value is between +16% and -16%), so the rate of occurrence of the brain abnormalities in the test subjects exceeded that of the general population by greater than 16%.

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    Re: Casual marijuana use linked with brain abnormalities, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    That is actually pretty much the definition of clinical depression. It isn't clinical depression if you have a reason to be depressed.
    That's a pretty ignorant statement
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    Re: Casual marijuana use linked with brain abnormalities, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's a pretty ignorant statement
    I was commenting on the other person's depression on the level that they explained it. You aren't going to find many clinically depressed people who are happy when they are supposed to be happy.
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    Re: Casual marijuana use linked with brain abnormalities, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I was commenting on the other person's depression on the level that they explained it. You aren't going to find many clinically depressed people who are happy when they are supposed to be happy.
    This statement was almost as ignorant as the one I originally responded to.
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    Re: Casual marijuana use linked with brain abnormalities, study finds

    Beside the basic idiocy of this particular specious "study" (no consideration of pre-condition, exceeedingly small sample size, largely anecdotal subject usage stats), the results show nothing new. Back in the late 60s when we were doing rat lab studies we knew the regions of the brain that were being stimulated. The main affected area was to do with pleasure response. It's long been known that when you "exercise" regions of the brain consistently, they thicken, become more dense with dendrites, become more responsive to stimuli.

    So it makes sense that pot smokers would develop a greater pleasure response. Heck, I'm most happy to have an increased pleasure response.

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    Re: Casual marijuana use linked with brain abnormalities, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    "Ditch digging" ?

    People that smoke dope daily, are chosing to go through life with a cognitive handicap, regardless of their education or how mamt degrees they've earned.

    And sorry but I'm calling BS on your'e alledged pot smoking PHD acquaintances.

    Engineers are a pretty specific brand of individial. I know because I've worked for several Aero-Space Contractors for the last 20 years.

    They are typically, quiet, highly intelligent and some are even borderline High Functioning Autistics, who take their abilities, knowledge and intelligence very seriously.

    Too seriously to throw caution to the wind and engage in a self destructive behaviour like smoking dope.
    You may call BS on whatever you like. Your preconceived notions and bias have no affect on the reality.
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