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    Stay-at-home moms: The sad truth behind those rosy media stories

    Stay-at-home moms: The sad truth behind those rosy media stories - latimes.com

    “The share of mothers who do not work outside the home rose to 29% in 2012, up from a modern-era low of 23% in 1999,” Pew’s new report finds. The primary reason: economics. The cost of child care and the lack of job opportunities are forcing women to stay at home rather than go back to work after having kids.
    Considering these findings, can we please kill the image of the modern stay-at-home mom clad in pricey Lululemon and instead focus on the kinds of precarious economic realities women face?

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    The Pew report also attributes the rising costs of child care to the increase in stay-at-home moms. The Washington Post published a map last week that shows the cost of full-time infant day care in 31 states actually exceeds the cost of state college tuition. At the top of the list is Massachusetts, where the annual cost of having an infant in full-time day care is about $16,000. By contrast, a year at a public college in Massachusetts costs about $10,000. Now imagine the cost of day care if you have more than one child under school age. According to a 2010 Census paper, it is likely that unless she has very high earnings, a mother with more than one child under the age of 5 makes less than it costs to pay for her kids’ day care.
    I've been wondering about this. I'm glad someone has followed up on this "phenomenon," though 23 to 29% doesn't seem altogether phenomenal.
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    Re: Stay-at-home moms: The sad truth behind those rosy media stories

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    I've been wondering about this. I'm glad someone has followed up on this "phenomenon," though 23 to 29% doesn't seem altogether phenomenal.


    "Day care" seems like kind of an unnecessary waste to me anyway. Is it really going to kill anyone to stay home for a few years until the kids are old enough to start school?
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    Re: Stay-at-home moms: The sad truth behind those rosy media stories

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I've been wondering about this. I'm glad someone has followed up on this "phenomenon," though 23 to 29% doesn't seem altogether phenomenal.
    That's a 26% increase, Summerwind. So for every 4 women who used to stay home after the kids were born, 5 are now staying home. It makes considerable changes in many things, and not just the daycare. It's gotta make changes in the way that companies see pregnant employees, wondering if they'll be back after the baby is born. It changes the entire economy and budget of the household without her income. It will be interesting to see if this trend continues or if this changes once the national economy eventually turns around.

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    Re: Stay-at-home moms: The sad truth behind those rosy media stories

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    "Day care" seems like kind of an unnecessary waste to me anyway. Is it really going to kill anyone to stay home for a few years until the kids are old enough to start school?
    Would it kill you to do it while your (future ) wife worked?
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    Re: Stay-at-home moms: The sad truth behind those rosy media stories

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post


    "Day care" seems like kind of an unnecessary waste to me anyway. Is it really going to kill anyone to stay home for a few years until the kids are old enough to start school?
    Yes, it hurts the ability of a couple to earn income severely. You can't afford to have both parents not working, and if there is only one parent, that parent needs to work. The cost of daycare is much less than what you make at work but it still cuts into the income of a family which is why Quebec and France subsidize it to make it 7$/day. Besides we want people earning money.
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    Re: Stay-at-home moms: The sad truth behind those rosy media stories

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Yes it hurts the ability of couple to earn income severely. You can't afford to have both parents not working, and if there is only one parent, that parent needs to work. The cost of daycare is much less than what you make at work but it still cuts into the income of a family which is why Quebec and France subsidize it to make it 7$/day. Besides we want people earning money.
    Subsidy doesn't make it cheaper, it just shifts the cost onto strangers. Now those strangers are made worse off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Subsidy doesn't make it cheaper, it just shifts the cost onto strangers. Now those strangers are made worse off.
    It makes it substantially cheaper for those with a lesser ability to afford it. It also brings down costs though the same principle as single-payer healthcare.

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    Re: Stay-at-home moms: The sad truth behind those rosy media stories

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    It makes it substantially cheaper for those with a lesser ability to afford it.
    I can't afford a Ferrari. Thanks for stepping up and not buying lunch one day per week to help me out.

    It also brings down costs though the same principle as single-payer healthcare.
    What?? Explain that to me. What is being bought in bulk? Daycare is really nothing more than paying an adult to babysit. How is bulk buying and market control going to lower the cost?

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    Re: Stay-at-home moms: The sad truth behind those rosy media stories

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Would it kill you to do it while your (future ) wife worked?
    Trust me. She wouldn't want me too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Yes, it hurts the ability of a couple to earn income severely. You can't afford to have both parents not working, and if there is only one parent, that parent needs to work. The cost of daycare is much less than what you make at work but it still cuts into the income of a family which is why Quebec and France subsidize it to make it 7$/day. Besides we want people earning money.
    The problem here is economic. It is actually cheaper for the woman to stay home than it is to pay for day care.

    Seems like a self-correcting problem to me. Just stay home for a couple of years until the kids are old enough to go to school, and then work part time if you want.

    Sorry folks, but "having it all" is a myth.

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    I can't afford a Ferrari. Thanks for stepping up and not buying lunch one day per week to help me out.



    What?? Explain that to me. What is being bought in bulk? Daycare is really nothing more than paying an adult to babysit. How is bulk buying and market control going to lower the cost?
    Well what Quebec does is broker deal with daycares to become 7$/day daycares. The government gets to negotiate a preferable price to pay and the daycare is assured full capacity. Couples and especially single parents benefit from this.

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