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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    That's the cost of taking up arms against people trying to enforce the law. Do you feeling the same way about drug dealers taking up arms against the police?
    I don't feel like we should "fill them full of holes". I'm surprised by your tolerance and I assume your pro death penalty since anyone who is a law breaker must die according to you. Stalin and Mao one of your hero's by chance?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Step away from the Right Wing noise machine. There is no rebellion starting.
    Yea, sure. You keep believing that.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    It should be handled through the courts and when the land is transferred, then the government steps in an gets the monies they feel are owed + interest. NOT starting a civil war.
    The guy has ignored two court orders (no doubt he deems anything he does not want to do as "unconstitutional"). Likewise, he self exempted himself (no surprise) from paying the land usage fees for not one, but five years.

    I cant wait until some Occupier declares that court orders telling him to pay his student loans are "unconstitutional", refuses to pay them for five years, and then surrounds himself with armed thugs when the government tries to arrest him.

    I know, I know, only right wing anarchy is cool. Left wing anarchy cant be cool.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Do you consider a massacre of ranchers under orders of the Federal Government to be a "winning" solution? What's silly is that, once such a thing occurs and all the ranchers and supporters are dead, that's an acceptable solution to you and nothing could go wrong with that strategy could it.
    I dont care if they are sexy right wing ranchers or unsexy leftist Occupiers, people need to pay for the public recesources they choose to purchase. It does not matter if is money for college loans or pasturage.

    If people take and dont pay, they risk being arrested. If they choose the shoot it out, then they take the concequences. Right wing, left wing, or middle wing, it does not matter.

    The fact that Bundy self exempted himself (stole) for five years evaporates any sympathy I have for him. That aside, I am not a big fan of the endangered species act and think any third generation farmer or ranchers privelages to certain areas should be respected.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Nevadans (and others) who hate Bundy don't understand that this isn't about Bundy or grazing rights, it's about the Constitution. It's about states' rights, and a galactically overreaching federal power, with supporters like Reid who should be representing their state but aren't.
    Nope, its about somebody choosing to use a recesource and then not paying for it.

    I dont have alot of sympathies for the Occupiers refusing to repay studnet loans, and I have little sympathy for a rancher who chooses to use public pasturage and then refuses to pay for it.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Obama needs to follow Washington's example and have those guys filled with holes.
    The preferable outcome is that those in violation will use the court system to settle such disputes rather than take up arms against their own government. Government use of force against its own citizens should always be last resort and only be utilized when all other options are exhausted.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Are you just trying to make up somthing to argue with yourself about? I said the government was not out gunned and wasnt. If you want pretend the cowboys bullied and outgunned the US government go head. Turn off the Wild West Channel and the RW noise machine, maybe thought will be clearer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you're thinking about this tactically then... so how outgunned? Do you consider a massacre of ranchers under orders of the Federal Government to be a "winning" solution? What's silly is that, once such a thing occurs and all the ranchers and supporters are dead, that's an acceptable solution to you and nothing could go wrong with that strategy could it.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Are you just trying to make up somthing to argue with yourself about? I said the government was not out gunned and wasnt. If you want pretend the cowboys bullied and outgunned the US government go head. Turn off the Wild West Channel and the RW noise machine, maybe thought will be clearer.
    Perhaps you can answer the questions.... all your dodging and weaving is making me dizzy.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    You must have already been dizzy, cause I am not dodging or weave anything. You are making up stuff and trying to argue with me about it. Just argue with yourself. Save us both some trouble.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Perhaps you can answer the questions.... all your dodging and weaving is making me dizzy.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    The Government won...and in fact was born from it.

    Trying to equate this situation to the revolutionary war is rather pathetic and just plain silly. If you by chance, do not see the differences or believe for some reason that a population revolting against foreign powers is akin to an extremely small part of the citizenry deciding to take up arms against it's own Government....there is not much to discuss here.
    One more vote from me for pathetic.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    I guess we can expect the local DP bad a$$ militia to pack their guns and head to Nevada.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    I wonder if a just society need use military force to collect fees?

    Is he accused of any violent practice? Is he facing charges on illegal weapons, anything warranting armed force?
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