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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat[W:208]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    This kerfuffle is far from over with.

    Mr Bundy and his supporters will not win. He will pay for his illegal activity.

    Don't take my word for this, just wait and see.
    I hope so, because this appears to be a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation: Intervention risks sparking a Branch Davidian-like situation, whereas just letting them be makes a statement that white men can get what they want simply by brandishing their guns. As I said earlier, Bundy is posing a greater threat to RKBA than the most militant gun-controller ever could.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Here, read this link, it'll tell you about a cattle rancher that refused to remove his cattle from government land, it also outlines the penalty he paid for ignoring court orders.


    Bundy was ordered to remove his cattle from federal lands too, he faces the same for refusing to obey court orders. You do know what that means, right? Contempt of court.

    Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government
    So it began in 1989 over the desert tortoise and yet this tortoise had managed to live side by side with these cattle for over 100 years? Doesn't this seem strange to you?

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat[W:208]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I hope so, because this appears to be a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation: Intervention risks sparking a Branch Davidian-like situation, whereas just letting them be makes a statement that white men can get what they want simply by brandishing their guns. As I said earlier, Bundy is posing a greater threat to RKBA than the most militant gun-controller ever could.
    White men? What has that got to do with this?

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So it began in 1989 over the desert tortoise and yet this tortoise had managed to live side by side with these cattle for over 100 years? Doesn't this seem strange to you?
    1. desert tortoise is now an endangered species, just as the bald eagle once was.

    2. no, not strange to me at all. This isn't so much about the tortoise as it is an American citizen who does not recognize the United States Government, and who is in violations of court orders.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Then that pretty much settles it. He's breaking the law, and he and his posse's display of force are a threat to law and order. Unless I'm missing something that matters.
    Add defiance of court orders, or contempt of court.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat[W:208]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    My emphasis

    THAT is the essential aspect of the present problem with Bundy, his militia "patriots", and those who support them -- it seems nobody in today's world is willing to "wait and see", they all want instant results - good or bad outcome doesn't matter, just so long as it happens NOW!

    What do we need? Patience.

    When do we need It? NOW!!

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    1. desert tortoise is now an endangered species, just as the bald eagle once was.
    They said it was an endangered species in 1989, which started all of this. How could it become 'endangered' if the conditions remained the same for the previous 100 years?

    2. no, not strange to me at all. This isn't so much about the tortoise as it is an American citizen who does not recognize the United States Government, and who is in violations of court orders.
    You feel that military helicopters, armed troops and SWAT teams are the proper response to those who violate court orders?

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat[W:208]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I hope so, because this appears to be a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation: Intervention risks sparking a Branch Davidian-like situation, whereas just letting them be makes a statement that white men can get what they want simply by brandishing their guns.
    As I said earlier, Bundy is posing a greater threat to RKBA than the most militant gun-controller ever could
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    I predict that when this kerfuffle is over with the 2nd Amendment will still be part of the U.S. Constitution and Mr. Bundy's cattle will be off of U.S. government land and he will have paid his debt to the USA, one way or another.

    Let's wait a while and see what happens.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They said it was an endangered species in 1989, which started all of this. How could it become 'endangered' if the conditions remained the same for the previous 100 years?

    You feel that military helicopters, armed troops and SWAT teams are the proper response to those who violate court orders?
    How do you know that mil. helicopters, armed troops and swat teams were there? were you there?

    Actually, what started all of this was Bundy's refusal to pay his fees, and contempt of federal orders. He and his ilk escalated and exacerbated the situation by armed militia showing up in his defense.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    How do you know that mil. helicopters, armed troops and swat teams were there? were you there?
    Cameras were there. Have you Googled?

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