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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, but Barack Obama was allegedly bringing Hope and Change. That the American electorate got fooled twice by this guy does not speak well for them. The 'they all do it' excuse is wearing thin.
    Well, I for one, can't believe anyone was fooled by the same old rhetoric coming from a politician.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Is that your idea of debating the issue? Why is it nonsense? These people don't believe the federal government has the right to tax them for use of public grazing lands. What is your argument that the feds as opposed to the states would have the right to tax these lands?

    Maybe you should educate yourself as to why they are upset.
    They're not "public grazing lands."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    They're not "public grazing lands."
    Oh no? Well that's lame because from the article.

    According to the BLM, Bundy has allowed his cattle to graze public land illegally for the past 20 years. Following two court orders, the feds started rounding up the cattle last week.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh no? Well that's lame because from the article.
    It's public land. It's not intended for grazing. Hence, it's not "public grazing land."
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It's public land. It's not intended for grazing. Hence, it's not "public grazing land."
    It IS public land. Otherwise the feds couldn't tax it's use DERP.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, I for one, can't believe anyone was fooled by the same old rhetoric coming from a politician.
    |Well you may not have been it seems many were! Hope and change is what they all promise. More Of The Same doesn't sell as well.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It IS public land. Otherwise the feds couldn't tax it's use DERP.
    I said it was public land. Pay attention. You're omitting a key word.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I said it was public land. Pay attention. You're omitting a key word.
    It is public grazing land. That is why they charge ranchers taxes for it's use. Unfortunately, they have overstepped their boundaries, as that should be a state issue, and the states should have control over the land. The feds control 87% of Nevada land.

    The fight involves a 600,000-acre area under BLM control called Gold Butte, near the Utah border. The vast and rugged land is the habitat of the protected desert tortoise, and ranchers whose cattle graze there must pay fees. Bundy, a descendant of Mormons who settled in Bunkerville more than 140 years ago, claims an inherent right to graze the area and casts the conflict as a states' rights issue. He said he doesn't recognize federal authority on land that he insists belongs to Nevada.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It is public grazing land. That is why they charge ranchers taxes for it's use. Unfortunately, they have overstepped their boundaries, as that should be a state issue, and the states should have control over the land. The feds control 87% of Nevada land.
    Well, guess what. They don't. You can't say "well, this is the way it SHOULD be" as a justification for someone breaking the law.

    Pot should be legal, but if I get busted with a pound of it (where I live), I'm in trouble. Claiming I don't believe in the government's right to prosecute me for it doesn't fly.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Well, guess what. They don't. You can't say "well, this is the way it SHOULD be" as a justification for someone breaking the law.
    That can be changed. The people and state governments are getting tired with the feds taking more than their share from everyone.

    It’s time for Western states to take control of federal lands within their borders, lawmakers and county commissioners from Western states said at Utah’s Capitol on Friday.

    More than 50 political leaders from nine states convened for the first time to talk about their joint goal: wresting control of oil-, timber -and mineral-rich lands away from the feds.

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