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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    This is sheer nonsense.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It doesnt change the fact that the BLM confiscated and even killed his cows. When Bundy liberated his cows, there were 130 head missing and two bulls had been shot dead.

    You think the court order called for killing the cows?
    That's what right wing media & Bundy allege, got any proof from other media sources?

    Since you presented ill defenses of Bundy and his armed militia friends, I'm thinking you're about finished now.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat[W:208]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Its off topic. Dont sweat it.
    Ok then, we still want the grazing fees enforced.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    I dont imagine the Feds expected the cowboys to be hiding behind skirts. The feds will arrest him and should the others who interfered.
    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    You are totally confused. The government backed down because they didn't want dead civilians lining up the desert. But, that's probably what Bundy supporters wanted, except, it didn't end that way.

    Do you think Bundy has had the last word on this? If you do, you're kidding yourself.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    well he's been grazing on land managed by the FBLM and he hasn't paid for 20 years. Where's the legality?
    That's a far cry from "squatting".... And even if he were "squatting", you think it acceptable to send in federal police armed to the teeth? Wouldn't sending in the sheriff to remove the "squatter" take care of the situation? Nah, they sent a force like that to send a message in a heavy handed way....

    Now, I will agree that Bundy needs to pay the fees for the rights to have his cattle graze on that land, but, the government needs to stop making **** up when the time comes to collect the monies also...This crap about the desert tortoise, and then sending in what amounts to a para military force, complete with heavy weapons, is why people started rushing to Bundy's aid in the first place...It's a distraction...Are there not more pressing matters that this country should be taking care of?
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I dont imagine the Feds expected the cowboys to be hiding behind skirts. The feds will arrest him and should the others who interfered.
    What a snotty little lie, cooked up, and overblown by progressives that one is....Multiple interviews with people that were there debunked that one....It was one kind of looney ex sheriff that had the idea that was never seriously considered. But leave it to progressives, and you'd think Bundy himself contacted each supporter and ordered it....

    You really ought to stop lying.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat[W:208]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Ok then, we still want the grazing fees enforced.
    Yeah? Libs want carbon credits too, but I don't think you're going to get that tax for breathing either....
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I dont imagine the Feds expected the cowboys to be hiding behind skirts. The feds will arrest him and should the others who interfered.
    I don't believe that these guys would be "hiding behind skirts" as you so eloquently put it. That just doesn't make sense.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    This is sheer nonsense.
    Is that your idea of debating the issue? Why is it nonsense? These people don't believe the federal government has the right to tax them for use of public grazing lands. What is your argument that the feds as opposed to the states would have the right to tax these lands?

    Maybe you should educate yourself as to why they are upset.

     Livestock grazing represents the earliest use of public lands,
    leading our nation’s expansion westward.
     Settlers went west under the expectation that, as was true for
    settlers farther east, laws would be established that would give
    them private ownership of the lands they settled and used for
    grazing. However, that promise of ownership never came true.
    Over 50% of western lands are still in federal ownership.
     Without private property rights on the range, the ranchers who
    settled there could not exclude others from grazing. Until the
    passage of the Taylor Grazing Act in 1934, the range suffered
    from overgrazing. While the TGA didn’t give them ownership, it
    did give preference to the local ranchers who were settled and
    making use of the forage.
     Today, the more than 22,000 “public lands ranchers” (who own
    base property but count on public land forage) pay an annual fee,
    deal with endless bureaucratic red tape, and are subject to the
    whims of the public, most of which lives in far-off urban centers.
    The Cost to Ranchers
    Research has shown that many federal land ranchers pay more
    for their forage than do private and state lessees, when taking
    into account:
     The ownership of water rights (providing water to federal
    lands and wildlife with no compensation) and the cost of
    maintaining infrastructure.
     The heightened government regulation and resulting
    litigation on federal lands.
     Increased predation and other limitations associated with
    operating on less productive terrain and abiding by
    seasonal use (fractions of a year)
    Last edited by ChrisL; 04-21-14 at 09:16 AM.

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