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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Don't you mean "The People"?

    Are they?



    I have no idea. You seem to be the one familiar with the "CON" (whoever they are) strategy.
    These people are violating the constitution.

    His personal grievance with federal authority doesn't stop with the BLM, though. "I believe this is a sovereign state of Nevada," Bundy said in a radio interview last Thursday. "I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing." Ironically, this position directly contradicts Article 1, Section 2 of the Nevada Constitution:

    All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.

    The paramount-allegiance clause, a product of the era in which Nevada gained statehood, originated in Nevada's first (and unofficial) constitutional convention of 1863. Some 3,000 miles to the east, the Civil War raged between the federal government in the North and West and the rebellion that had swallowed the South. In early 1864, Abraham Lincoln—who wanted more pro-Union states in Congress so as to pass the amendment to abolish slavery, and a few more electoral votes to guarantee his reelection that fall—signed a bill authorizing Nevada to convene an official constitutional convention for statehood. The state constitution's framers, who were overwhelmingly Unionist, retained the clause in solidarity with the Union when they gathered in July 1864.
    So mr bundy is violating Nevadas constitution.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    BLM reportedly planned on spending a million dollars to round up his cattle. They hired the ranch hands, a helo, and plenty of trucks for up to 900 even though surveys
    suggested less than 600. Mr. Bundy's "range war" comments caused them to send in the police (military style) to insure the safety of those collecting the cattle.

    I can tell you that I'm a tad angry. My neighbor and I spoke of it last night, and he claims to have spoken with a 3rd neighbor. We're thinking of going to the next
    protest to demand Mr. Bundy pay up - you see we've been paying these fees for over 20 years so why shouldn't he? He's received the same level of service from
    the BLM as we have - which by the way helps us to make sure cattle are stolen, insured we don't over graze open lands so that cattle don't starve and work with
    us on diverting cattle for better water supplies and safe areas. So why again should we pay for that and he not?


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Look how cute and angry you are.

    So tell us...what did it COST the taxpayers to let him graze his cattle there? Now...what did cost the taxpayers to send in the klowns, only to have them slink away?

    Since...you know...you care about the taxpayers so much.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    I know what I'm gonna do! I'm gonna make some popcorn!


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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    BLM reportedly planned on spending a million dollars to round up his cattle. They hired the ranch hands, a helo, and plenty of trucks for up to 900 even though surveys
    suggested less than 600. Mr. Bundy's "range war" comments caused them to send in the police (military style) to insure the safety of those collecting the cattle.

    I can tell you that I'm a tad angry. My neighbor and I spoke of it last night, and he claims to have spoken with a 3rd neighbor. We're thinking of going to the next
    protest to demand Mr. Bundy pay up - you see we've been paying these fees for over 20 years so why shouldn't he? He's received the same level of service from
    the BLM as we have - which by the way helps us to make sure cattle are stolen, insured we don't over graze open lands so that cattle don't starve and work with
    us on diverting cattle for better water supplies and safe areas. So why again should we pay for that and he not?
    I AGREE...he SHOULD pay up. Its rather telling that the BEST the fed could come up with was without any type of thought or reason send in what amounted to an assault team to handle a ****ing DEBT COLLECTION. And they couldnt even do THAT right.

    If the fed honestly believed that THAT was the way to handle that situation...they need their collective heads examined. And a new line of work.

    Edit: Not excusing the debt...but how much again does the BLM (taxpayers) pay to manage those grazing lands? And how much did that little busted Bay of Pigs maneuver cost?

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    I feel like that; but I do see one issue. The credit was still being extended and he was ignoring demands to stop. Hence a cattle eviction was due. There is little doubt the FED over reacted with the level of security added to the round up. Fact is most people engaged in a round up are pretty adept at protecting themselves.


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I AGREE...he SHOULD pay up. Its rather telling that the BEST the fed could come up with was without any type of thought or reason send in what amounted to an assault team to handle a ****ing DEBT COLLECTION. And they couldnt even do THAT right.

    If the fed honestly believed that THAT was the way to handle that situation...they need their collective heads examined. And a new line of work.

    Edit: Not excusing the debt...but how much again does the BLM (taxpayers) pay to manage those grazing lands? And how much did that little busted Bay of Pigs maneuver cost?

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Really, Bundy isn't doing anything the OWS protesters didn't do. He's got hundreds of smelly animals on public land.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    BLM reportedly planned on spending a million dollars to round up his cattle. They hired the ranch hands, a helo, and plenty of trucks for up to 900 even though surveys
    suggested less than 600. Mr. Bundy's "range war" comments caused them to send in the police (military style) to insure the safety of those collecting the cattle.

    I can tell you that I'm a tad angry. My neighbor and I spoke of it last night, and he claims to have spoken with a 3rd neighbor. We're thinking of going to the next
    protest to demand Mr. Bundy pay up - you see we've been paying these fees for over 20 years so why shouldn't he? He's received the same level of service from
    the BLM as we have - which by the way helps us to make sure cattle are stolen, insured we don't over graze open lands so that cattle don't starve and work with
    us on diverting cattle for better water supplies and safe areas. So why again should we pay for that and he not?
    Because Bundy is a special snowflake and the law doesn't apply to him, he is entitled to taxpayer subsidy for his cattle business.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I AGREE...he SHOULD pay up. Its rather telling that the BEST the fed could come up with was without any type of thought or reason send in what amounted to an assault team to handle a ****ing DEBT COLLECTION. And they couldnt even do THAT right.

    If the fed honestly believed that THAT was the way to handle that situation...they need their collective heads examined. And a new line of work.

    Edit: Not excusing the debt...but how much again does the BLM (taxpayers) pay to manage those grazing lands? And how much did that little busted Bay of Pigs maneuver cost?
    Are people really under the impression that they opened up with the swat team? You don't think they sent him letters a hundred times? They went to court, still didn't pay up. An injunction was issued in 1998 by a court. Another in 2013. Still refused. Ten they sent him another letter informing him they planned to seize the cattle.

    How much ****ing leeway should the government give him before they finally just say **** it and kick the door in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Are people really under the impression that they opened up with the swat team? You don't think they sent him letters a hundred times? They went to court, still didn't pay up. An injunction was issued in 1998 by a court. Another in 2013. Still refused. Ten they sent him another letter informing him they planned to seize the cattle.

    How much ****ing leeway should the government give him before they finally just say **** it and kick the door in?
    And then drove away like a bunch of little bitches. So...they came up with a stupid game plan and then got drove.

    Yay...you.

    People like Putin have to just be laughing their asses off.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And then drove away like a bunch of little bitches. So...they came up with a stupid game plan and then got drove.

    Yay...you.

    People like Putin have to just be laughing their asses off.
    If they didn't "kick the door in" then they must be legally wrong and/or getting their collective (dual meaning term) asses kicked by the media.
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