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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Range fees are currently $1.37 per month. Mine are actually $1.35 but different regions have different rates. Mine have been has high as $1.66 but I've only been in charge of mine (for our family) since 2009. My dad managed them from back in the 90's. Yes we are talking $1.37 cents per head per month. A farmer with 900 permits / head of cattle would be paying $1,233 per month. I dare say the property taxes in California (not NV) could cost you close to that for grazing land necessary for 900 head of cattle. Remember this is desert property and more land is needed for cattle then in some other parts of country - mid west for example.

    The real figure to note is the cost of grazing fees per head for that steers life: That is $32.88 maximum. For a steer that should garnish $1200-$1300 today - maybe more or less depending on its weight and health. $32.88 with no property taxes, BLM protection from poachers, land use management, and yes they spend some of it to protect a damn turtle - so what. Clive managed to rack up $1,100,000 worth of these fees by not paying for 21 years. Its not hard if you have 800-900 permits.


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    Oh wow...Is that right? $1.37? Oh my....

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Meanwhile back at the other ranch, Ukraine and Russia are about to start WWIII.

    This is no time for another Civil War.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Meanwhile back at the other ranch, Ukraine and Russia are about to start WWIII.

    This is no time for another Civil War.
    Don't worry, this isn't another Civil War. And if the idiots flocking to his ranch think one is starting, it will be over pretty fast.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Do you know what the fee is? Its $1.37 a month. I pay for 440 of them and then resell them to cattle farmers at $4.00 a month who are glad to have them. $1.37 a month, and you need it for 18 to 24 months in order to raise and sell a $1300 to $1800 steer. You can't be serious when you think this is an extreme burden on a cattle rancher? Unless of course you are just falling overyourself to hate the government and back Clive who can't pay his obligations like me and everyone else.
    My problem is with the way the FedGov has and is handling this situation.

    My figures show he owes a little over $150,000 (depending on the number of cattle over the years) which he's said in the past he would pay to Clark county. They won't take it.

    You are correct that the BLM and other authorities let this go way too long.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    My problem is with the way the FedGov has and is handling this situation.

    My figures show he owes a little over $150,000 which he's said in the past he would pay to Clark county. They won't take it.

    You are correct that the BLM and other authorities let this go way too long.

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    I agree somewhat, with the exception of the amount. He owes for fines, interest, and more than 150K just in arrears grazing fees alone. He may have a weak leg to stand upon if he put the 1.1 million owed in a trust account pending the result of any final court judgement. As it is, he's just some dude who got caught stealing and is moaning about having to pay restitution. It's entirely his own fault stemming from his own bad choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Funny how ENFORCING the LAW is such a battle cry for the right, except when they don't want the law enforced.
    Most people I know and have seen here dont have a problem with enforcing the law and dont see Bundy as a hero. They think the fed handled this with the same idiotic incompetence they have handled pretty much everything in the last 5+ years.

    Now...you on the other hand...all sporting a tiny little chubby over the possibility of a massacre to show just how badass the fed is...are YOU as fired up about the fed enforcement of the law? Say...immigration law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Most people I know and have seen here dont have a problem with enforcing the law and dont see Bundy as a hero. They think the fed handled this with the same idiotic incompetence they have handled pretty much everything in the last 5+ years.

    Now...you on the other hand...all sporting a tiny little chubby over the possibility of a massacre to show just how badass the fed is...are YOU as fired up about the fed enforcement of the law? Say...immigration law?
    Checkmate.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Does Bundy realize he's going to be a clarion call for all the neo-nazi and neo-fascist groups in this country fighting the "Zionist Occupied Government"?

    I just hope he knows the potential can of worms he's opening with all these militia groups rallying to his flag.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you have something showing that Bundy stopped paying fees prior to 1993? Or is this just more chance for you to childishly use your "CON" this, and "CON" that stupidity? The solar company angle was indeed wrong...But that doesn't mean that there isn't some other use they want it for....Maybe it should be investigated. You mean no cattle unless they pay a fee right? Because that is what this is all about....So they say....Just another progressive government shakedown.
    Actually CON stupidity allows for sooooo many chances to use the label CON. IF you had read ANY of the reports plastered across the internet- not the CON bloggers but real news sources to include Faux Noise you'd see Bundy had indeed stopped paying the grazing fees YEARS before the area was shut down for grazing.

    That the Cattleman's Association, by NOOO means a left wing group- ask Oprah and her slander suit- are not backing Bundy because he is a thief.

    The CON nutjob slobber is full force trying to make some assinine hint that there must be 'some reason' Reid 'wants' that land, instead of the BLM FINALLY cracking down on a deadbeat. I can just see the CONs flinging poo if the Faux Noise accused Reid of allowing his 'buddy' Bundy to graze FREE on TAXPAYER land for over a decade...

    Again if you had read ANY report you'd see this isn't 'no pay no graze' the area has been closed to grazing since 1993!!!!!!!

    Closed since 1993!!!!!!

    Closed since 1993!!!!!!

    Bundy is a deadbeat who thinks the laws don't apply to him.

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