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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That's not how it'as dealt with.

    here's the reason he stopped paying....onerous government over-reach

    CLINTON DOUBLING FEES FOR GRAZING ON FEDERAL LANDS - NYTimes.com
    Just one little problem: The fees were never doubled because of Congressional obstruction. Instead the fees today are lower than they were when Reagan first instituted them. With inflation over 30 years, Bundy would be paying about one third of what he paid to the Reagan and Bush BLM
    The Federal grazing fee for 2013 will be $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM) for public lands
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Morning Di, I am a little disappointed here in your post.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Too many people are thinking with their little heads on this topic.
    Usually you are better than this, to start out with inflammatory pejorative...I expect that from others, but you have largely been level headed on subjects.

    The guy is a deadbeat who has been using public land to graze his cattle for decades, and refusing to pay the grazing fees to do so.
    Yep, and I don't agree with that part of this either...If the law is that he must pay a fee to do such, then he should pay the fee, and work within the system to change it if he disagrees....Every business I can guarantee pays fees to government they don't agree with...That's how lobby groups came into being....

    It's kind of like one of the ranchers from Central California deciding that the lush grazing in Yosemite is just what his cows need, and herding a few thousand head into the park, which is public land after all, to get free cattle feed and up his profit at the public's expense.
    I see what you are saying, but in reality, this is desolate land that is not a national park that anyone want's to go photo.....In fact the government in this case had to make up some bogus crap about saving the desert tortoise, when just an hour up the road they are killing them because they are so plentiful...So, the dishonesty is on the government side as well.

    Hey, if Bundy can do it, so can he, amirite? How about all those million head of cattle surrounding Yellowstone, and all the yummy grazing pastures there. It's public land; ranchers are part of the public, so how about they just herd 'em all into Yellowstone to graze the place down to dirt?

    Oh but that's different, you say!!! No, actually, it isn't different at all. There are pastures in national parks that are used by local ranchers for grazing, ranchers who follow the law, pay the grazing fees and adhere to the grazing schedule to make certain that other wildlife and the land itself are not damaged. Bundy just helped himself to hundreds of prime grazing acres, and refused to pay for the privilege or adhere to the law regarding care of public land. He's a self-absorbed, profit-greedy hunk of scum, and I have not a single **** to give about the predicament he created for himself.
    This area is not a national park, and your argument would be better if you didn't try and conflate the two...84.5% of Nevada is deemed "public owned land" that is insane. I heard the other day, that there was a law that the government was supposed to start returning all this land to the states to manage, and they did that, up til they got to the west....What they are doing effectively, is just like the mob as far as Nevada, and states like Utah go, and that is you a rancher? you want to live, and do business in our state? pay protection from us.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Can't help but think there's more going on here than a simple case of catching a tax-cheat.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Can't help but think there's more going on here than a simple case of catching a tax-cheat.
    I agree...
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    They're raising arms against the law in defense of someone breaking the law.
    In which video did you see armed protesters?

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Just one little problem: The fees were never doubled because of Congressional obstruction. Instead the fees today are lower than they were when Reagan first instituted them. With inflation over 30 years, Bundy would be paying about one third of what he paid to the Reagan and Bush BLM
    The buying up of lands for national monuments and such plus the environmental restrictions largely remain in place.

    Center for Progressive Reform :: CPR Perspective: The Trade-off Myth of Livestock Grazing on Public Lands
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Can't help but think there's more going on here than a simple case of catching a tax-cheat.
    Not even a tax cheat....a fee cheat.

    You're right.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The buying up of lands for national monuments and such plus the environmental restrictions largely remain in place.

    Center for Progressive Reform :: CPR Perspective: The Trade-off Myth of Livestock Grazing on Public Lands
    So you post a link that supposedly supports Bundy, or at least provides a reason for him to stop paying a land-use fee, I point out that your point is invalid AND you bring in a totally unrelated point - not the way to debate I must say
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Not even a tax cheat....a fee cheat.

    You're right.
    I still don't understand how turtles come into this. Is this over unpaid fees or what?

    And WTF does Harry Reid owning a couple mines somewhere have to do with anything?

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    So you post a link that supposedly supports Bundy, or at least provides a reason for him to stop paying a land-use fee, I point out that your point is invalid AND you bring in a totally unrelated point - not the way to debate I must say
    I was merely pointing out it wasn't all about grazing fees.

    "Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt, who announced the fee increases *and* new controls over water rights and the use of public land"
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