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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I don't agree with your term "storm troopers" for the federal LEO.
    Bet you have not dealt with a rancher like Bundy? 20 years or more of not following the law and taking advantage of all of us who are US citizens. Wonder if half a cow would be my share of his free grazing he has stolen?

    Your lastest CT of Reid wanting the land for solar. "that the federal property for which Bundy claims grazing rights were under consideration by a solar energy company. So has a final decision been made? Speculation doesn't buy much. What is known for certain is Bundy is in tresspass (grazing without a valid grazing permit).

    While their may be politics playing into the land use designation, it is interesting how your links post the feds as the bad guys, and down plays the illegal grazing.
    Big government advocate I see. We'll see how all this plays out.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    How many times does this need to be posted?

    Sorting Fact From Fiction on Chinese Solar In Nevada | Commentary | ReWire | KCET

    The article then discusses the project at some length, quoting a Reuters article from August 2012.

    There's a reason for that 2012 dateline in the Reuters piece: The "Chinese energy firm" being discussed is ENN Mojave Energy, and the project was canceled in 2013 after languishing for many months unbuilt and unfunded. There haven't been many articles on the project since 2012, for the simple reason that it became clear it probably wasn't happening around then.

    To be clear, Daniels did not specifically say that the ENN Mojave Energy project was planned for the land on which Bundy's cattle now trespass. But that's certainly what people took away from it: Harry Reid ordered Bundy's cattle removed so that his son Rory could build a solar project on it for the Chinese Communists.

    There are two little problems with that interpretation of the story, one of which lends support for the notion that Americans have no idea how to read maps: Bundy's cattle are in Bunkerville, Nevada which is here, and the proposed ENN plant would have been sited in Laughlin Nevada, which is here, and the two places are almost 180 miles apart.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    How many times does this need to be posted?
    I'll grant you that this solar thing is a red herring, but what of the claim that Reid had his ex staffer, now BLM chief pull strings to wave the turtle regs for a political donor....? I guess that one's true.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    I believe the last court case was 21 years ago....it's not like Clive is an illegal alien so how long should they wait?


    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    It's a civil matter that should be handle as such.
    The way the government is handling it tells me it's about far more than paying a fee.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Big government advocate I see. We'll see how all this plays out.
    You know they say about Assume, don't you.

    Where have I stated I am a big government advocate?

    The issue is illegal grazing, the lack of payment for years.

    It is hard to believe your political lean is conservative when you seem to support someone breaking the law over many years.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Too many people are thinking with their little heads on this topic.

    The guy is a deadbeat who has been using public land to graze his cattle for decades, and refusing to pay the grazing fees to do so. It's kind of like one of the ranchers from Central California deciding that the lush grazing in Yosemite is just what his cows need, and herding a few thousand head into the park, which is public land after all, to get free cattle feed and up his profit at the public's expense.

    Hey, if Bundy can do it, so can he, amirite? How about all those million head of cattle surrounding Yellowstone, and all the yummy grazing pastures there. It's public land; ranchers are part of the public, so how about they just herd 'em all into Yellowstone to graze the place down to dirt?

    Oh but that's different, you say!!! No, actually, it isn't different at all. There are pastures in national parks that are used by local ranchers for grazing, ranchers who follow the law, pay the grazing fees and adhere to the grazing schedule to make certain that other wildlife and the land itself are not damaged. Bundy just helped himself to hundreds of prime grazing acres, and refused to pay for the privilege or adhere to the law regarding care of public land. He's a self-absorbed, profit-greedy hunk of scum, and I have not a single **** to give about the predicament he created for himself.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Too many people are thinking with their little heads on this topic.

    The guy is a deadbeat who has been using public land to graze his cattle for decades, and refusing to pay the grazing fees to do so. It's kind of like one of the ranchers from Central California deciding that the lush grazing in Yosemite is just what his cows need, and herding a few thousand head into the park, which is public land after all, to get free cattle feed and up his profit at the public's expense.

    Hey, if Bundy can do it, so can he, amirite? How about all those million head of cattle surrounding Yellowstone, and all the yummy grazing pastures there. It's public land; ranchers are part of the public, so how about they just herd 'em all into Yellowstone to graze the place down to dirt?

    Oh but that's different, you say!!! No, actually, it isn't different at all. There are pastures in national parks that are used by local ranchers for grazing, ranchers who follow the law, pay the grazing fees and adhere to the grazing schedule to make certain that other wildlife and the land itself are not damaged. Bundy just helped himself to hundreds of prime grazing acres, and refused to pay for the privilege or adhere to the law regarding care of public land. He's a self-absorbed, profit-greedy hunk of scum, and I have not a single **** to give about the predicament he created for himself.
    So the solution it to Leon his property and/or levy his income. Sending an armed task force is overkill.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    So the solution it to Leon his property and/or levy his income. Sending an armed task force is overkill.
    It's my understanding that this has already been adjudicated in court, and Bundy lost. If an armed task-force is overkill, I suggest you mention that to Bundy... you know, the guy who suggested putting women and children in front of the armed militia surrounding his ranch so he couldn't be served by court papers, in the hopes that they'd get good photos of some female or kid being blown away by "them damn feds".

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    This was one of the funniest threads I've ever read through. Thank you right-wingers for providing memories that will last a lifetime. Its like Roadhouse meets Beyond the Law with a dash of Young Guns. I can only pray the cowboys yell charge and attempt to bayonet one of the BLM truck tires from horseback and win the battle of Cattle Gate.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    I believe the last court case was 21 years ago....it's not like Clive is an illegal alien so how long should they wait?
    That's not how it'as dealt with.

    here's the reason he stopped paying....onerous government over-reach

    CLINTON DOUBLING FEES FOR GRAZING ON FEDERAL LANDS - NYTimes.com
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