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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    one. govt. web site info changes from time to time
    two. your linked article had a quote that the BLM wanted Bundy's land. Well the public land is not Bundy's. So the article on that point is misleading. it also seems to skip the fact that Bundy is not paying grazing fees (for how many years? more than 1 less than 50. )

    You have anything else beside the Beforeitsnews website?
    Reports: Company Tied to Reid's Son Wants Land in Bundy Standoff

    He hasn't paid in 20 yrs and now they send in the storm troopers to steal (a major crime) his livestock? It was nothing but a civil case before all this.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It worked for the Civil Rights movement, whose organizers would place children for the exact same purposes.
    Equally despicable.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It worked for the Civil Rights movement, whose organizers would place children for the exact same purposes.
    The exact same purposes?!?!?!?!?!? Really!?!?!?!?!? I lived through that period and do not know of that allegation. Please link to verifiable evidence.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Reports: Company Tied to Reid's Son Wants Land in Bundy Standoff

    He hasn't paid in 20 yrs and now they send in the storm troopers to steal (a major crime) his livestock?
    Steal his livestock? Nope, they were going to remove his livestock from land that is not his. If he does not want his property removed, he needs to keep it on his land. If his current land is not big enough to hold that property (livestock), he needs to buy some property that is large enough.

    These are pretty simple concepts.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The exact same purposes?!
    Yes. One of MLK's senior aides, in particular, utilized that tactic, though it is doubtful that MLK knew at the time. Rosa Parks was similarly carefully selected and trained to be a sympathetic figure.

    I lived through that period and do not know of that allegation.
    Yeah, but we've previously established that, as a left-wing public educator, you are blissfully unaware of politically inconvenient items in American history. However, I grew up in Birmingham, and happen to know some of the people that actually took part. It was a bit controversial - some of them still think it was the right thing to do, others think that it wasn't right to put your children deliberately in harms way.

    Please link to verifiable evidence.
    From Wikipedia, for example,

    ...Children's Crusade[edit]
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    On May 2, more than a thousand students skipped school and gathered at the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church. The principal of Parker High School attempted to lock the gates to keep students in, but they scrambled over the walls to get to the church.[60] Demonstrators were given instructions to march to the downtown area, to meet with the Mayor, and integrate the chosen buildings. They were to leave in smaller groups and continue on their courses until arrested. Marching in disciplined ranks, some of them using walkie-talkies, they were sent at timed intervals from various churches to the downtown business area.[61] More than 600 students were arrested; the youngest of these was reported to be eight years old. Children left the churches while singing hymns and "freedom songs" such as "We Shall Overcome". They clapped and laughed while being arrested and awaiting transport to jail. The mood was compared to that of a school picnic.[62] Although Bevel informed Connor that the march was to take place, Connor and the police were dumbfounded by the numbers and behavior of the children.[63][64] They assembled paddy wagons and school buses to take the children to jail. When no squad cars were left to block the city streets, Connor, whose authority extended to the fire department, used fire trucks. The day's arrests brought the total number of jailed protesters to 1,200 in the 900-capacity Birmingham jail.
    The use of children proved very controversial. Incoming mayor Albert Boutwell and Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy condemned the decision to use children in the protests.[65] Kennedy was reported in The New York Times as saying, "an injured, maimed, or dead child is a price that none of us can afford to pay", although adding, "I believe that everyone understands their just grievances must be resolved."[66] Malcolm X criticized the decision, saying, "Real men don't put their children on the firing line."[67]
    King, who had been silent and then out of town while Bevel was organizing the children, was impressed by the success of using them in the protests. That evening he declared at a mass meeting, "I have been inspired and moved by today. I have never seen anything like it."[68] Although Wyatt Tee Walker was initially against the use of children in the demonstrations, he responded to criticism by saying, "Negro children will get a better education in five days in jail than in five months in a segregated school."[55] The D Day campaign received front page coverage by The Washington Post and The New York Times.[61][62]...

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Steal his livestock? Nope, they were going to remove his livestock from land that is not his. If he does not want his property removed, he needs to keep it on his land. If his current land is not big enough to hold that property (livestock), he needs to buy some property that is large enough.

    These are pretty simple concepts.
    No, they did steal his livestock which was unjustified and illegal. They gave it back when forced to do so.

    The real question is why now? after a 20 year civil battle.

    I suspect Harry Reid knows the answer.
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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    No, they did steal his livestock which was unjustified and illegal.
    Next time a property owner tows off my car from their property, I"ll jsut tell him not to "steal" my car.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    The more I read about this, the more I think Bundy planned this out for his 15 minutes of fame. BLM probably realized it needed a differnt plan of attack, and I am sure has one by now.
    As I understood it, this has been ongoing for quite some time. I doubt it was meant as a showdown from the ranchers perspective. It only became an issue when the feds decided they wanted the land for something else.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Reports: Company Tied to Reid's Son Wants Land in Bundy Standoff

    He hasn't paid in 20 yrs and now they send in the storm troopers to steal (a major crime) his livestock? It was nothing but a civil case before all this.
    I don't agree with your term "storm troopers" for the federal LEO.
    Bet you have not dealt with a rancher like Bundy? 20 years or more of not following the law and taking advantage of all of us who are US citizens. Wonder if half a cow would be my share of his free grazing he has stolen?

    Your lastest CT of Reid wanting the land for solar. "that the federal property for which Bundy claims grazing rights were under consideration by a solar energy company. So has a final decision been made? Speculation doesn't buy much. What is known for certain is Bundy is in tresspass (grazing without a valid grazing permit).

    While their may be politics playing into the land use designation, it is interesting how your links post the feds as the bad guys, and down plays the illegal grazing.

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    Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    As I understood it, this has been ongoing for quite some time. I doubt it was meant as a showdown from the ranchers perspective. It only became an issue when the feds decided they wanted the land for something else.
    The Feds have proven themselves incapable of enforcing the Mexican/US border, and in fact are very selective in which laws they do enforce in that regard.The Community Organizer and Harry Reid can't do much internationally but have proven to be a powerhouse against their fellow Americans.

    It's a sad thing to watch Americans turning on each other this way, with many of their fellow Americans urging on their now commonplace SWAT teams.

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