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Official: 3 dead after shooting at Kansas City-area Jewish center

US Conservative said:
I didn't realize that spending "enough time" in the US makes one an expert on Islamic anti-jewish attacks. :roll:

I mean our own dept of homeland security, FBI, etc have a tough enough time with that, but hey-you "spent enough time in the US" to be an expert so thats cool.
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At this point what are you even blabbing on about? No one is pretending to be an expert on anything but you jumped into this thread without even reading up on the story. If you had read at least one other article you would of discovered that the suspect was heard shouting "heil hitler" and that he indeed was white. Instead you jumped right into the thread and now we have 3 pages of utter nonsense.
 
Higgins86 said:
Not many I'm sure but given the area of the country and the relatively small Muslim population my first thought wasn't "oh this is an Islamic attack". Of course we all know why you/ US conservative would try and push the thread in that direction and continue to do so even though the evidence says otherwise.
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Kindly provide the data the shows a correlation between population and the odds of committing an attack, and then provide the number of Neo-Nazi's and Islamists in the area. Of course you will use govt data, and not what you saw on BBC for this.

Get to it.
 
Higgins86 said:
At this point what are you even blabbing on about? No one is pretending to be an expert on anything but you jumped into this thread without even reading up on the story. If you had read at least one other article you would of discovered that the suspect was heard shouting "heil hitler" and that he indeed was white. Instead you jumped right into the thread and now we have 3 pages of utter nonsense.
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Admit it, your silly superficial inference was silly and superficial.
 
Sababa said:
Not that I want to divert the thread further but when a lunatic used Islam in his shooting rampage people wouldn't accept that he was a lunatic spouting a certain ideology, why would it be okay here
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Any lone lunatic is just that, it doesn't matter what his beliefs are. If he was acting under orders from someone else then he wasn't acting alone.
 
US Conservative said:
Admit it, your silly superficial inference was silly and superficial.
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You want me to admit it was silly of me to presume that the attacker who targeted a Jewish community the day before Passover and shouted Heil Hitler when arrested was a neo-Nazi? Yeh good luck with that.
 
Higgins86 said:
You want me to admit it was silly of me to presume that the attacker who targeted a Jewish community the day before Passover and shouted Heil Hitler when arrested was a neo-Nazi? Yeh good luck with that.
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No, I want you to admit that ruling out an Islamic attack because of a small population of Muslims, and because it happened around passover means it wasn't someone else-and that you know this because you have spent time in the US-was silly.

Thats what you should admit to.
 
Sababa said:
Not that I want to divert the thread further but when a lunatic used Islam in his shooting rampage people wouldn't accept that he was a lunatic spouting a certain ideology, why would it be okay here
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Just wait...lol!
 
Higgins86 said:
At this point what are you even blabbing on about? No one is pretending to be an expert on anything but you jumped into this thread without even reading up on the story. If you had read at least one other article you would of discovered that the suspect was heard shouting "heil hitler" and that he indeed was white. Instead you jumped right into the thread and now we have 3 pages of utter nonsense.
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Utter nonsense that you started, sir.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Gunman screaming 'Heil Hitler' kills at least three in shooting spree at Jewish community center and retirement home in Kansas City | Mail Online
Man was yelling "heil Hitler" as he was getting arrested. Sounds like a neo-nazi to me.
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Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The "Handscharr" was an Islamic SS briade founded by an Islamic Arab cleric, which roamed through eastern Europe, Greece and the Balkans murdering Jews.

In fact, alot of muslims sided with the fascists back then. The Army of Franco that demolished the Spanish Republic famously consisted of Arab fascist troops from North Africa.

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You will see those frequently at islamist events.

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Aswell as during official Hisbollah events.

So yes. There is a conection between Islamism and fascism tied together through their common antisemitism.



And no, I dont claim that the perpurtrator is a muslim. But I also wont claim that he is a nazi.

I will do the sensible thing, and wait until the facts are on the table.
 
The German said:
Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bosnian-Muslims-reading-pro_jpg.jpg


The "Handscharr" was an Islamic SS briade founded by an Islamic Arab cleric, which roamed through eastern Europe, Greece and the Balkans murdering Jews.

In fact, alot of muslims sided with the fascists back then. The Army of Franco that demolished the Spanish Republic famously consisted of Arab fascist troops from North Africa.

god-bless-hitler.jpg


You will see those frequently at islamist events.

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Aswell as during official Hisbollah events.

So yes. There is a conection between Islamism and fascism tied together through their common antisemitism.



And no, I dont claim that the perpurtrator is a muslim. But I also wont claim that he is a nazi.

I will do the sensible thing, and wait until the facts are on the table.
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Why has this turned into a thread about Arabs and nazis? "The suspect, a white male in his 70s, was taken into custody at a nearby elementary school, Douglass said. Douglass declined to identify the suspect, but said he was not from Kansas." Shootings reported at Jewish community centers near Kansas City - chicagotribune.com
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Why has this turned into a thread about Arabs and nazis? "The suspect, a white male in his 70s, was taken into custody at a nearby elementary school, Douglass said. Douglass declined to identify the suspect, but said he was not from Kansas." Shootings reported at Jewish community centers near Kansas City - chicagotribune.com
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You are the one who claimed he is a nazi and denounced all other possibilities.

Which is wrong! One should wait until the facts are known.



After the Oslo Massacre in 2011 before it was even clear who commited that crime, everyone screamed "Islamists". And one group in Gaza actualy claimed to be responsible.

After the Madrid terror attacks, the conservative Spanish government blamed the attacks on Basque seperatists, when it turned out to be islamists the government practicaly lost all it`s credibility over night and was voted out of power.

And recently during the Boston marathon bomings, I remember how in the first hours of the attack everyone screamed and almoust craved for the attack to have been carried out by a right winger. Not to mention the despicable racist tweets that came after somehow someone claimed that the suspects had dark skincolour - even though they didnt.

It is not just dangerous to claim to know, when you dont know, it is also stupid.
 
apdst said:
Why is the dude automatically a Facist Neo-Nazi just because he yelled heil Hitler?
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Hasnt this been pointed out to you several times before already?
Yelling "heil-Hitler" shooting up 2 Jewish centers night before Passover.. Lets use some elementary school logic.
 
The German said:
You are the one who claimed he is a nazi and denounced all other possibilities.

Which is wrong! One should wait until the facts are known.



After the Oslo Massacre in 2011 before it was even clear who commited that crime, everyone screamed "Islamists". And one group in Gaza actualy claimed to be responsible.

After the Madrid terror attacks, the conservative Spanish government blamed the attacks on Basque seperatists, when it turned out to be islamists the government practicaly lost all it`s credibility over night and was voted out of power.

And recently during the Boston marathon bomings, I remember how in the first hours of the attack everyone screamed and almoust craved for the attack to have been carried out by a right winger. Not to mention the despicable racist tweets that came after somehow someone claimed that the suspects had dark skincolour - even though they didnt.

It is not just dangerous to claim to know, when you dont know, it is also stupid.
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2+2=4
 
US Conservative said:
No, I want you to admit that ruling out an Islamic attack because of a small population of Muslims, and because it happened around passover means it wasn't someone else-and that you know this because you have spent time in the US-was silly.

Thats what you should admit to.
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No I ruled out Muslims based on the Heil Hitler in the Police car the rest is just common sense in my opinion. Again if you had read this before you jumped into the thread we wouldn't be having this discussion, but you didn't and you looked very silly from the outset.
 
The German said:
As you wish.

But dont whine when it turn out you were wrong.
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What? So I cant have an opinion that the shooter appears to be a neo-nazi and i back this up by the logic he shot up 2 jewish centers, yelled "Heil Hitler", happened the night before passover, and is white? I mean after your tirade about the Arab world and support for the government of Nazi Germany...
 
Police Chief John Douglass:

"It's too early in the investigation to try to label it. We know it's a vicious act of violence. Obviously, at two Jewish facilities, one might make that assumption, but we're going to have to know more about it,"
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The only right response.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Why has this turned into a thread about Arabs and nazis? "The suspect, a white male in his 70s, was taken into custody at a nearby elementary school, Douglass said. Douglass declined to identify the suspect, but said he was not from Kansas." Shootings reported at Jewish community centers near Kansas City - chicagotribune.com
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I think I'm going to go mad. Bed time for me I cant stand any more of this, sorry for the loss of life in your town Dem Soc hopefully the community can move on from this.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
What? So I cant have an opinion that the shooter appears to be a neo-nazi and i back this up by the logic he shot up 2 jewish centers, yelled "Heil Hitler", happened the night before passover, and is white?
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I never said that you cant have an opinion.

You can take that accusation and shove it right back up the part of your anatomy out of which you pulled it.

I mean after your tirade about the Arab world and support for the government of Nazi Germany...
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A legitemate reaction to you denouncing the possibility of Arab antisemitism and fascism.
 
The German said:
I never said that you cant have an opinion.

You can take that accusation and shove it right back up the part of your anatomy out of which you pulled it.
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Simple logic.


A legitemate reaction to you denouncing the possibility of Arab antisemitism and fascism.
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Saying the guy is white...........
 
apdst said:
Why is the dude automatically a Facist Neo-Nazi just because he yelled heil Hitler?
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He is probably more a Wannabe Nazi.

Or better yet just a attention seeker loser. He has done this for the shock value. To kill some Jews and then scream heil Hitler for the shock value.

I am so tired of this admiration of the Nazis by losers in our society.

So if what I hear is true, he was arrested at an elementary school parking lot and perhaps hoping to kill some children.

I don't care what fricking mental problems he has. Just take a shovel and bash his wimp face in.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
What? So I cant have an opinion that the shooter appears to be a neo-nazi and i back this up by the logic he shot up 2 jewish centers, yelled "Heil Hitler", happened the night before passover, and is white? I mean after your tirade about the Arab world and support for the government of Nazi Germany...
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Hassan yelled "allah akbar" before he started shooting up tje clinic at Fort Hood, but I bet you don't consider him a Muslim terrorist.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Simple logic.
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No. Conclusions based on assumptions.

Saying the guy is white...........
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Ever heard of "converts", "Bosniacs", "Caucasians", "Turkmens", "Tatars", Kazahks" and others?

In fact an Arab doesnt even look that much like what the common notion of what an Arab is supposed to look like when he spent some time in a European climate.
 
Crosscheck said:
He is probably more a Wannabe Nazi.

Or better yet just a attention seeker loser. He has done this for the shock value. To kill some Jews and then scream heil Hitler for the shock value.

I am so tired of this admiration of the Nazis by losers in our society.

So if what I hear is true, he was arrested at an elementary school parking lot and perhaps hoping to kill some children.

I don't care what fricking mental problems he has. Just take a shovel and bash his wimp face in.
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Exactly right.
 
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