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    East Ukraine protesters joined by miners on the barricades

    Will this be a turning point in the pro-Russian protests in eastern Ukraine. Regardless, the US has opened a can of worms.

    East Ukraine protesters joined by miners on the barricades | World news | The Observer

    East Ukraine protesters joined by miners on the barricades

    Coalmining is a major industry in the Donetsk region, which has close ties to Russia

    Word spread quickly through the few hundred pro-Russian protesters in Donetsk in eastern Ukraine: "The miners are coming!"

    The crowd parted as a group of a dozen or so burly men in orange work helmets marched past barbed-wire and tyre barricades into the 11-storey administration building, which protesters seized last weekend as they demanded greater independence from Kiev.

    "Glory to the miners!" the crowd began chanting. "Glory to Donbass!" they shouted, much as protesters at Kiev's Euromaidan demonstrations had shouted "Glory to Ukraine!" before they ousted the president, Viktor Yanukovych, in February.

    Donetsk is the heart of eastern Ukraine's coalmining country, historically known as the Donbass, and its football club is called the Miners. Cultural and economic ties to Russia – about three-quarters of people in the Donetsk region speak Russian as their native language – have put the Donbass on a collision course with the new government in Kiev, which plans to sign an association agreement with the EU. Yanukovych is from Donetsk and many here still call him the legitimate president.

    Collisions were spreading across eastern Ukraine on Saturday night. Armed separatists seized government buildings in Slaviansk and set up barricades on the outskirts of the city in what Kiev described as an "act of aggression by Russia". The developments have increased concerns of a possible "gas war" that could disrupt energy supplies across the continent.

    Militants also took control of the police headquarters in Kramatorsk, 95 miles from the Russian border, after a firefight. Video footage showed an organised unit of more than 20 men wearing matching military fatigues and taking orders from a commander while shooting automatic rifles as they approached the building.

    The White House said it will send Vice President Joe Biden to Kiev on April 22 to demonstrate high-level US support for Ukraine after expressing concern about escalating tensions in the eastern part of the country.

    Back at the Donetsk occupation, the hundreds of supporters who have gathered each day are a small number of the city's nearly one million residents. But if the 100,000-plus employees of coalmining enterprises were to rise en masse, that would change the political picture drastically, in a similar fashion to the Donbass miners' strikes that helped bring about the breakup of the Soviet Union.

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    Re: East Ukraine protesters joined by miners on the barricades

    The OP blaming the USA is absolutely absurd.

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    Re: East Ukraine protesters joined by miners on the barricades

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The OP blaming the USA is absolutely absurd.
    What absurd is to blame the "blame the US people" for telling the truth. We are over there meddling in a heavy handed way in Ukraine which is right in Russia's back yard. Then when there is a resultant mess, and someone says that maybe we should not have acted in such a way, you people say, "oh you always blame the US for everything." If Victoria Nuland had not acted in such an aggressive manner there would be no need to say this. She demonstrated such arrogance with that "f*** the EU" remark. Don't condemn the messenger.

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    Re: East Ukraine protesters joined by miners on the barricades

    This is an interesting article

    For Ukraine’s eastern rust belt, it is Russia or bust | Oman Observer

    For Ukraine’s eastern rust belt, it is Russia or bust

    PRO-RUSSIANS cheer and clap as miners in hard hats march into the heavily fortified zone around the occupied state building in Donetsk: here they are heroes, the soul of an economically depressed coal region fighting for survival. As the protesters rally in support of separatists holed up inside the building, virulent anger against the new pro-Western government in Kiev and their plans to shift out of Russia’s orbit is stoked by a real and visceral fear for their future. From the coal and steelmaking industries of Donetsk to factories in Kharkiv pumping out military tanks and turbines, the industrial heartland of eastern Ukraine has always relied on one main client: Russia. “In our region we have a lot of machine-building plants. Russia buys our products. Our factories will be closed because… nobody will need it in Europe,” said Liliya, a 27-year-old housewife. “Our products are not competitive, half our citizens will lose their jobs.”

    Jobs lost, factories and mines closed and industries swallowed up by “German businessmen” — these are the fears on everyone’s lips at the barricades of tyres and barbed wire surrounding the “Donetsk People’s Republic”, declared independent by a handful of separatists willing to go to extremes to protect their ties with Russia. Katerina, 50, a kindergarten teacher, thinks closer ties to the European Union will be “very, very bad” for eastern Ukraine. She is most worried about her kitchen garden, which allows her to earn money on the side selling flowers and vegetables. “I saw on the Internet and TV that it is forbidden to do this in Europe. Our goods will not be competitive,” she said. Like the majority of the crowd, she aches with nostalgia for the days when this part of Ukraine was the industrial pride of the Soviet Union, a sentiment strummed daily by old Soviet songs played to the crowd, and constant references to the glories of World War II.

    The eastern industrial powerhouse was hard hit when the USSR collapsed and Ukraine won independence in 1991. Many factories were shut and jobs lost as the region struggled to adapt to a capitalist system. Two decades on, the outlook in the economically depressed region, bled dry by corruption and blinded by the wealth of a handful of oligarchs, feels bleak. “Life was better in the USSR, there was equality, there was free education and medicine. Now there is corruption everywhere,” said Katerina. The trade wars with Russia that have erupted since Kiev turned towards the EU following protests that ousted a Kremlin-friendly government have only heightened fears in the region which borders Russia.
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    Re: East Ukraine protesters joined by miners on the barricades

    If they can do it in Kiev, we can do it in Donetsk. In other words, the US has opened a can of worms.If they can do it in Kiev, we can do it in Donetsk.

    That’s what Roman Romanenko says as he organizes the occupation of this eastern Ukrainian city’s seat of government, which he and hundreds like him seized to protest Kiev’s new leadership. Clad in fatigues and a blue beret, the 35-year-old former paratrooper quit his coal-mining job to come here.

    “My miner’s soul told me to be here,” said Romanenko. “Those people in Kiev spat on us. They think Ukraine is only western Ukraine and are ruling as they please.”

    Romanenko and his fellow activists, entrenched in the building where ousted President Viktor Yanukovych once ruled as governor, are demanding a vote on greater autonomy, joining similar movements in other heavily Russian-speaking cities in the country’s east. Outside is a scene reminiscent of Kiev’s Independence Square, or Maidan, before rallies for closer ties with Europe turned deadly in February, leading to Yanukovych’s downfall and Russia’s annexation of Crimea.

    While the eastern uprising looks and feels like Maidan, the roles have been reversed, with support coming from the east instead of the west as former Cold War rivals trade accusations of secret plots to spark unrest. Russia, with 40,000 troops across the border, said attempts by federal Ukrainian forces to quell the demonstrations threaten to lead to civil war.

    ‘EU Aggression’

    Like Maidan, there are barricades of tires and wire in Donetsk, as is the smoke from wood-burning stoves and the bustle of bat-wielding men in balaclavas and home-made riot gear. Their arsenal of bricks and Molotov cocktails, also the same, is growing. There are groups of women, too, only here they say: “Ukraine is the victim of U.S. and EU aggression.”

    Romanenko, elected commander of the camp by the council of protesters, dismisses speculation Russia is behind the uprising, as it was in Crimea when President Vladimir Putin sent thousands of soldiers to augment the troops already stationed at Russia’s Black Sea Fleet base there.

    “We just want the right to hold a referendum on federalization, so we can decide our own fate,” Romanenko says. “Why are extremists allowed to seize buildings in Kiev, but we can’t do the same here? I don’t belong to any party, just to the national patriotic movement.”

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    Ukraine Miners Don Camouflage as East Revolt Mimics West - Businessweek

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    Re: East Ukraine protesters joined by miners on the barricades

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Will this be a turning point in the pro-Russian protests in eastern Ukraine. Regardless, the US has opened a can of worms.
    Yanukovych opened the can of worms when he spent 35 million dollars on his private residence, and then got surprised when people pushed him out.

    I wonder if those "miners" are really miners and if so, are they really from Ukraine? There has been credible evidence of Russia bussing in angry "locals" in past protests(that does not mean that the Russians do not enjoy support in eastern Ukraine). Likewise, consider the fact that out of a city of 1 million purportedly rabildy pro Russian locals, only several hundred show up at a protest advocating union with Russia?

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    Re: East Ukraine protesters joined by miners on the barricades

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Yanukovych opened the can of worms when he spent 35 million dollars on his private residence, and then got surprised when people pushed him out.
    Tymoshenko enriched herself at the expense of the people of Ukraine, and although she was corrupt, we pushed for her to be freed from prison.

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    Re: East Ukraine protesters joined by miners on the barricades

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Tymoshenko enriched herself at the expense of the people of Ukraine, and although she was corrupt, we pushed for her to be freed from prison.
    The citizens and many posters on this forum just can't believe that they have been misled by our USA Gov't and our National Media. They think they are much smarter than that. In complete truth and recognition of the provlem, it is catharctic to accept that much of what they believe has been an illusion. One must really segregate themselves from Mainsteam Media for a time and seek WorldWide views on all issues to begin to see the truth. It's a masterful stroke of manipulation by the powers that be, especially the CIA.

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    Re: East Ukraine protesters joined by miners on the barricades

    lol I wonder if anything bad has ever happened that wasn't the result of American actions.

    Jesus was killed my time traveling CIA operatives.
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    Re: East Ukraine protesters joined by miners on the barricades

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The citizens and many posters on this forum just can't believe that they have been misled by our USA Gov't and our National Media. They think they are much smarter than that. In complete truth and recognition of the provlem, it is catharctic to accept that much of what they believe has been an illusion. One must really segregate themselves from Mainsteam Media for a time and seek WorldWide views on all issues to begin to see the truth. It's a masterful stroke of manipulation by the powers that be, especially the CIA.
    What is remarkable is that Walter Lippmann has written so eloquently on the dangers posed to democracy when people do not have accurate information.

    Everywhere today men are conscious that somehow they must deal with questions more intricate than any that church or school had prepared them to understand. Increasingly they know that they cannot understand them if the facts are not quickly and steadily available. Increasingly they are baffled because the facts are not available; and they are wondering whether government by consent can survive in a time when the manufacture of consent is an unregulated private enterprise. For in an exact sense the present crisis of western democracy is a crisis in journalism.

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