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    France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Although I agree with them on this issue, I wonder what is behind the far right in Europe taking this position. Is it simply a political calculation? I don't know.

    France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War' | Reuters

    France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Marine Le Pen, leader of France's far-right National Front, blamed the European Union for declaring a new Cold War on Russia that would hurt all concerned, Russian media reported on Saturday as she paid an official visit to Moscow.

    Europe-Russia relations are at their lowest ebb in decades after President Vladimir Putin's annexation of Crimea prompted the EU to impose sanctions on dozens of prominent Russian officials and lawmakers.

    However Le Pen, along with other Eurosceptic leaders of the far left and nationalist right, believe the original fault lies with Brussels for offering closer ties with Ukraine, a move Russia opposes.

    "I am surprised a Cold War on Russia has been declared in the European Union," French National Front leader Le Pen said at a meeting with Sergei Naryshkin, speaker of the Russian parliament's lower house.

    "It's not in line with traditional, friendly relations nor with the economic interests of our country or EU countries and harms future relations," Russian news agency Interfax quoted her as saying in its Russian-language service.

    Her comments echo those of Austrian far-right leader Heinz-Christian Strache who has openly sided with Putin, condemning the EU sanctions as a farce. Le Pen's Dutch political partner Geert Wilders has also said the EU made the first mistake.

    The way Europe has handled the crisis over Ukraine could become an issue in the European Parliament elections in May. Opinion polls suggest right-wing nationalist parties will perform well. French polls show the National Front emerging as the leading French party in the European elections.

    At the meeting with Le Pen, Naryshkin, who is one of the officials hit by the EU's asset freezes and travel bans, stressed the importance of Russia's ties with France, but said relations had been strained by "Russophobic, anti-Russia campaigns" instigated by several European countries.

    The United States and the EU, worried that Putin could seek to take control of parts of eastern and southern Ukraine, have warned they could impose broader sanctions affecting entire sectors of Russia's economy if he escalates the crisis.

    Emboldened by the Kremlin's annexation of Crimea, pro-Russian groups in Ukraine's east have occupied public buildings in three cities, a move Kiev officials say Russian forces may use as a pretext to cross the border to protect the activists, though Moscow denies this.

    Le Pen, a tough-talking former lawyer, said Ukraine's eastern regions should be allowed to choose greater independence from Kiev.

    "The idea of federalism would give regions the chance of broad autonomy, to determine their destiny independently," Interfax quoted her as saying.
    That said, I think sanctions are a necessary response.

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Jobbik, Front National, FP, NPD and various other very horrible right wing European parties support Putins actions because they are anti-Western and also mean that European borders are no longer holy and unquestionable.

    To understand this you must understand that there is a giant difference between the US right wing and the European right wing.

    The US right wing campains for small government and for some conservative social values.

    The European right wing thinks it can still win WW2.



    BUT

    I have heard the European right wing support of Putins lates actions mentioned very often. What people dont mention is that the European radical left (yes there is a radical left almoust as despicable as the radical right in Europe) also support his actions because they are anti Western. Die Linke in Germany has probably been the most vocal supporter of Putins recent actions in Germany.

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Although I agree with them on this issue, I wonder what is behind the far right in Europe taking this position. Is it simply a political calculation? I don't know.

    France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War' | Reuters


    That said, I think sanctions are a necessary response.
    Europe-Russia relations are at their lowest ebb in decades after President Vladimir Putin's annexation of Crimea prompted the EU to impose sanctions on dozens of prominent Russian officials and lawmakers.

    It is a matter of perspective.....

    Seen through the eyes of US, British and other eyes, this is a matter of relations having been turned by Putin's actions.....a simplistic view at least.

    In Eastern Europe, Poland and Ukraine, there is another perspective that holds relations began deteriorating long ago, when a warning to the then US president went unheeded. Vladimir Putin warned George W. Bush he would "tear her [Ukraine] apart if the west instigated anything.

    They did. And now the chickens have come home to roost, few are happy, the youth of Europe have never known a cold war, and the boomers are tired of ti, don't want to see another. The right happens to be the party ready and able to fill that leadership void.

    There is a growing drift away from a US-centric Euro-American alliance. As the GNP of the EU rises, the right of course wants to sever the US umbilical, strangely now parroting the mood of the left of the 1970's.
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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    -- I have heard the European right wing support of Putins lates actions mentioned very often. What people dont mention is that the European radical left (yes there is a radical left almoust as despicable as the radical right in Europe) also support his actions because they are anti Western. Die Linke in Germany has probably been the most vocal supporter of Putins recent actions in Germany.
    If I were an American I might rightly wonder who in Europe actually still wishes to be allies.

    If there is a natural political centre and that is all that is left of those of us that wish to stand against Putin's invasion of Ukraine and other plans I worry. There is something very odd happening here and I don't quite get it yet.

    Also, strangely with the extremes of European hard left and European hard right both supporting Putin because of their anti-Eu stance - where do they stand on Putin's ultimate aim of a Eurasion Custom's Union to rival the EU?

    Do they want power and to destroy the EU only to sell us down the river to Putin's Custom's Union?

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    If I were an American I might rightly wonder who in Europe actually still wishes to be allies.

    If there is a natural political centre and that is all that is left of those of us that wish to stand against Putin's invasion of Ukraine and other plans I worry. There is something very odd happening here and I don't quite get it yet.

    Also, strangely with the extremes of European hard left and European hard right both supporting Putin because of their anti-Eu stance - where do they stand on Putin's ultimate aim of a Eurasion Custom's Union to rival the EU?

    Do they want power and to destroy the EU only to sell us down the river to Putin's Custom's Union?
    I think they just want to return into the reactionary 19th century nationalism which plungded this continent into it`s 2 greatest catastrophies.

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    In Eastern Europe, Poland and Ukraine, there is another perspective that holds relations began deteriorating long ago, when a warning to the then US president went unheeded. Vladimir Putin warned George W. Bush he would "tear her [Ukraine] apart if the west instigated anything.
    They did. And now the chickens have come home to roost, few are happy, the youth of Europe have never known a cold war, and the boomers are tired of ti, don't want to see another. The right happens to be the party ready and able to fill that leadership void. There is a growing drift away from a US-centric Euro-American alliance. As the GNP of the EU rises, the right of course wants to sever the US umbilical, strangely now parroting the mood of the left of the 1970's.
    Do you happen to have a link to the idea that Putin warned George Bush about any instigation?

    Bush in fact helped Georgia despite Putin's threats in that area and went ahead with the anti missile defense in Poland and Czechoslovakia, again dissing Putin. It was Obama who cancelled these sites, much to the chagrin of eastern European leaders.

    Any roosting chickens are the consequence of Obama's policies, if we can even use that term, and his 'flexibility' after the last US election. This is one are where it's very difficult to fault George Bush at all.

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    If I were an American I might rightly wonder who in Europe actually still wishes to be allies.

    If there is a natural political centre and that is all that is left of those of us that wish to stand against Putin's invasion of Ukraine and other plans I worry. There is something very odd happening here and I don't quite get it yet.

    Also, strangely with the extremes of European hard left and European hard right both supporting Putin because of their anti-Eu stance - where do they stand on Putin's ultimate aim of a Eurasion Custom's Union to rival the EU?

    Do they want power and to destroy the EU only to sell us down the river to Putin's Custom's Union?
    Europeans have long been critical of Americans and their leadership so they now have an opportunity to finally go it alone and develop their own foreign strategy. However they divide their 'wings' it will be challenging times for all of them, and interesting to watch.

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    The European right wing thinks it can still win WW2.
    Perhaps here you mean the German right wing? If not, could you please elaborate?

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    I think they just want to return into the reactionary 19th century nationalism which plungded this continent into it`s 2 greatest catastrophies.
    Americans are actually quite indifferent to what goes on in Europe, just as they were prior to involving themselves in WWII. Obama could never convince Americans to get involved over there though perhaps his successor might. Most feel, it seems to me, that the Europeans, especially in the West, have made their collective bed.

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Americans are actually quite indifferent to what goes on in Europe, just as they were prior to involving themselves in WWII. Obama could never convince Americans to get involved over there though perhaps his successor might. Most feel, it seems to me, that the Europeans, especially in the West, have made their collective bed.
    Which is quite a wrong notion.

    Especialy now I have this feeling that with a little bit more destablisation the continent can collapse into chaos again.

    Many of the peoples of various nations still have a deepseated hatred for oneanother.

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