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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Perhaps here you mean the German right wing? If not, could you please elaborate?
    Front National was founded by Vichy veterans and the party had an antisemetic line throughout it`s long history.

    The FP was even founded by SS veterans, regulary denies the holocaust and produces politicians who publicly show their symathy to the former nazi regime.

    And Jobbik is pritty much the worst of them all...



    It literaly is an official nazi party.

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Which is quite a wrong notion.

    Especialy now I have this feeling that with a little bit more destablisation the continent can collapse into chaos again.

    Many of the peoples of various nations still have a deepseated hatred for oneanother.
    Yes, it is a wrong notion and one fostered by both sides. But after Iraq and Afghanistan the American people understandably have no interest in Europe, one way or another. In fact Barrack Obama has displayed strongly inappropriate responses against the British, America's longest and closest friends in Europe. Europe will be forced to struggle through its own problems.

    In fact there were strong arguments at one time that a United Europe would form a strong countermeasure against American power and influence in the world. Now might be the opportunity to test that theory.

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, it is a wrong notion and one fostered by both sides. But after Iraq and Afghanistan the American people understandably have no interest in Europe, one way or another. In fact Barrack Obama has displayed strongly inappropriate responses against the British, America's longest and closest friends in Europe. Europe will be forced to struggle through its own problems.

    In fact there were strong arguments at one time that a United Europe would form a strong countermeasure against American power and influence in the world. Now might be the opportunity to test that theory.
    It seems that theory collapses, because the French and everyone else doesnt trust the German and Polish with handling worldpower.

    In fact not even the Germans trust themselves with worldpower.

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But after Iraq and Afghanistan the American people understandably have no interest in Europe, one way or another.
    The American people may have no interest in Europe, but our foreign policy establishment still displays a strong interest, because that is one way in which US power is projected around the globe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact Barrack Obama has displayed strongly inappropriate responses against the British, America's longest and closest friends in Europe. Europe will be forced to struggle through its own problems.
    What exactly were those inappropriate responses?

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The American people may have no interest in Europe, but our foreign policy establishment still displays a strong interest, because that is one way in which US power is projected around the globe.
    There is no recent evidence of that.
    What exactly were those inappropriate responses?
    Googling Obama insults British would probably lead you there.

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    It seems that theory collapses, because the French and everyone else doesnt trust the German and Polish with handling worldpower.

    In fact not even the Germans trust themselves with worldpower.
    And they don't trust the Americans either. Another quandary for Europe, but at least there was a prolonged period of relative peace.

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There is no recent evidence of that.
    Wrong. There's all kinds of evidence for it.

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Wrong. There's all kinds of evidence for it.
    Can you support that assertion with some facts?

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Front National was founded by Vichy veterans and the party had an antisemetic line throughout it`s long history.

    The FP was even founded by SS veterans, regulary denies the holocaust and produces politicians who publicly show their symathy to the former nazi regime.

    And Jobbik is pritty much the worst of them all...



    It literaly is an official nazi party.
    I listened to that video and one point stood out. That party did not rise until there was a financial crisis. When the global economic model fails to provide properly for people, they become frustrated and angry. At that time, they are ripe for such exploitation. When people can't properly care for their families, they will feel powerless. Groups with a extreme racial, ethnic, and nationalists messages can then step in and promise to fill the void that people feel in their lives. Even here in the US, you have people like the Five Percenters and Aryan nation. There message is wicked and twisted. I am so tired of hearing such nonsense. A few weeks ago this guy was talking all this sort of nonsense to me about black this and black that. I listened because I didn't want to offend him, but in my mind, I have become so tired of hearing such false rhetoric, no matter what the source. People are human and we all have faults. No one has any reason to be full of false hubris.

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    Re: France's Le Pen, in Moscow, blames EU for new 'Cold War'

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I listened to that video and one point stood out. That party did not rise until there was a financial crisis. When the global economic model fails to provide properly for people, they become frustrated and angry. At that time, they are ripe for such exploitation. When people can't properly care for their families, they will feel powerless. Groups with a extreme racial, ethnic, and nationalists messages can then step in and promise to fill the void that people feel in their lives. Even here in the US, you have people like the Five Percenters and Aryan nation. There message is wicked and twisted. I am so tired of hearing such nonsense. A few weeks ago this guy was talking all this sort of nonsense to me about black this and black that. I listened because I didn't want to offend him, but in my mind, I have become so tired of hearing such false rhetoric, no matter what the source. People are human and we all have faults. No one has any reason to be full of false hubris.
    Yeah well, I see it more as a destinctive European curse or illness that the US doesnt suffer from.

    As soon as living standerds go down here in Europe, people become nazis or communists.

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