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Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

I never said that objections to Islamism are right wing. I said the whiners who are complaining about Brandeis and liberals are right wingers.
It seems that freedom of speech and diversity of opinion have become associated with the right while stifling speech remain a part of the left wing dogma. This is not new.
 
Yes, they have. By folding under pressure from CAIR and other Muslim groups other Universities will be fearful of inviting Hirsi Ali to speak. This is the way they silence dissent. Muslims have used these same tactics through the courts, through threats, or by actually murdering people who are critical of Islam.

She already has to be under guard 24 hours a day for speaking out and by denying her a forum, despite their initial invitation, it only reinforces the understanding that it is Muslims who will decide what is going to be said on the subject of misogyny in Islam and not a place of learning which used to stand for the right to expand human knowledge.

If she cannot speak at American Universities because of Muslim threats, where do you think she is safe to speak?

please share cites about these islamic "threats" you allude to causing her to have her recognition withdrawn
 
please share cites about these islamic "threats" you allude to causing her to have her recognition withdrawn

You genuinely don't know about the Islamic threats against Hirsi Ali's life? Just Google and you'll discover why she must be under 24 hour protection.
 
You genuinely don't know about the Islamic threats against Hirsi Ali's life? Just Google and you'll discover why she must be under 24 hour protection.

so, it was fear that the islamists would attack her at the presentation rather than her anti-islamic statements which caused her recognition to be pulled?
i don't think so
you indicated that it was followers of islam who prevented the recognition. clearly you are now back tracking on that post. good
 
Re: Brandeis University withdraws planned honorary degree for Islam critic Ayaan Hirs

You want me to find a source that says there is no liberal bias? Perhaps you might want to check out the NYTimes or Mother Jones. They'll support your non-liberal bias assumptions. No faults in the article though, its just the messenger you don't pay attention to, correct? That should broaden the mind!

I wouldn't pay much attention to the NYT or Mother Jones, either. As far as the article goes, it doesn't address your point at all.

Where did i say the first amendment was being violated? Cowardly Brandeis can do what they did, CAIR, naturally, will do what they do, and those of us who believe in diversity of opinion and greater rights for Muslim women will call down the two for their behavior. Everything is going as it should. I just hope this is not the end of it.

You're kidding, right? You've been crowing about "free speech" since the beginning. Do you even know what free speech means? Further, those of you who believe in diversity of opinion are hypocrites. If you believe in diversity of opinion, why are you bitching about Brandeis's opinion?
 
No, it was not. That would be communism.

No, that wouldn't. Communism hasn't existed. Any attempt at communism has turned into fascism.

No. As their names suggest, as well as their history, they were left wing movements.

This is just conservative revisionism. Mussolini himself, the father or modern fascism, rejected the left wing. Fascism is a right wing movement.

By that I suppose you mean \Democrat.

No, I mean conservatives.

It's been the left, and there are many examples.

No, it's been the right, and there have been MANY examples. Go over to stormfront for confirmation of this.
 
Re: Brandeis University withdraws planned honorary degree for Islam critic Ayaan Hirs

CC its true the NR is partisan but the headline I posted is right on the money I don't care who posted it.

There is nothing wrong with the facts of the article. Your interpretation is completely in error as has been shown.
 
Yes, they have. By folding under pressure from CAIR and other Muslim groups other Universities will be fearful of inviting Hirsi Ali to speak. This is the way they silence dissent. Muslims have used these same tactics through the courts, through threats, or by actually murdering people who are critical of Islam.

And is then the actions of THOSE that do not ask her to speak that are the issue, not those who protested of her speaking. Let's put it this way... let's say that a business decides that they will not serve gays and members of the community do not like this policy, speak out about it, and encourage others to not shop there... which they don't, which causes the business to go bankrupt. Should that be allowed to happen? Who's responsibility is it for the business going bankrupt?

She already has to be under guard 24 hours a day for speaking out and by denying her a forum, despite their initial invitation, it only reinforces the understanding that it is Muslims who will decide what is going to be said on the subject of misogyny in Islam and not a place of learning which used to stand for the right to expand human knowledge.

Muslims didn't decide what is going to be said. Brandeis decided to not let her speak at this venue. She can still speak on the internet, in books, and anywhere else that will accept her.

If she cannot speak at American Universities because of Muslim threats, where do you think she is safe to speak?

ONE University.
 
It seems that freedom of speech and diversity of opinion have become associated with the right while stifling speech remain a part of the left wing dogma. This is not new.

Actually, the reverse is true.
 
Why do people scream and shout about their religious freedoms being attacked and then endorse someone who discourages another religion.

Muslims are not part of a destructive nihilistic cult of death. And anyway, how could Muslims be nihilistic and Muslims? That literally makes no sense.

On September 11th, 2001, my mom was working at Goldman Sachs a few blocks away from the WTC. When the buildings came down the building was evacuated, but she couldn't come home to Jersey because the bridges were immediately shut down. So she walked a few blocks over and stayed with her Muslim friend Allah.

Whenever I hear anti-Islamic hate speech I recount this story. It's bulls**t. Thinly veiled racism and intolerance.

The American people should never give credence to these ideas or give them a platform on which to speak.
 
By the way, I always see people equating liberalism with higher education.


The fact that academics, (A.K.A. the learned) are overwhelmingly liberal...What does that say to you?

Just saying...
 
Why do people scream and shout about their religious freedoms being attacked and then endorse someone who discourages another religion.

Muslims are not part of a destructive nihilistic cult of death. And anyway, how could Muslims be nihilistic and Muslims? That literally makes no sense.

On September 11th, 2001, my mom was working at Goldman Sachs a few blocks away from the WTC. When the buildings came down the building was evacuated, but she couldn't come home to Jersey because the bridges were immediately shut down. So she walked a few blocks over and stayed with her Muslim friend Allah.

Whenever I hear anti-Islamic hate speech I recount this story. It's bulls**t. Thinly veiled racism and intolerance.

The American people should never give credence to these ideas or give them a platform on which to speak.
[emphasis added by bubba]

i disagree with what was emphasized (by me) above
everyone should have the right to freely express their opinions
no matter how right or wrong we believe those opinions to be
in no way should we attempt to suppress free speech
in no way should we advocate against tolerance of those with differing views
 
[emphasis added by bubba]

i disagree with what was emphasized (by me) above
everyone should have the right to freely express their opinions
no matter how right or wrong we believe those opinions to be
in no way should we attempt to suppress free speech
in no way should we advocate against tolerance of those with differing views

Refusal of a venue to host a speaker is not against the First Amendment.

Think of it this way:

Nazi's have a right to speech in this country, but they would likely deny a Zionist to speak at one of their rallies.

The Zionist could go on to speak somewhere else, (forum, blog, other meeting space, literally almost anywhere else)

All because an organization decides they would rather have someone else speak doesn't mean the First Amendment is being violated.
 
Refusal of a venue to host a speaker is not against the First Amendment.
refusal by a venue/organization to host a speaker is not what you said, to which i took exception:
The American people should never give credence to these ideas or give them a platform on which to speak.
your words speak to intolerance of expression. and that undermines anyone's right to free speech
while i admit this is a narrow semantic disagreement, it is a very significant - and important - one

Think of it this way:

Nazi's have a right to speech in this country, but they would likely deny a Zionist to speak at one of their rallies.
and the nazis have no obligation to do so as an organization. just as the zionists have no obligation to allow Palestinian free speech at zionist meetings. but we, as a nation, do have an obligation to permit those who have views which agree or disagree with our own, to voice those views

The Zionist could go on to speak somewhere else, (forum, blog, other meeting space, literally almost anywhere else)

All because an organization decides they would rather have someone else speak doesn't mean the First Amendment is being violated.
and this woman's right to free speech is in no way being denied
but the university has a right to deny her a venue and/or a recognition, should that organization so decide
 
refusal by a venue/organization to host a speaker is not what you said, to which i took exception:

your words speak to intolerance of expression. and that undermines anyone's right to free speech
while i admit this is a narrow semantic disagreement, it is a very significant - and important - one


and the nazis have no obligation to do so as an organization. just as the zionists have no obligation to allow Palestinian free speech at zionist meetings. but we, as a nation, do have an obligation to permit those who have views which agree or disagree with our own, to voice those views


and this woman's right to free speech is in no way being denied
but the university has a right to deny her a venue and/or a recognition, should that organization so decide

Okay, I acknowledge your argument. I will say she has the right to voice her opinions, I guess I should have rather said that I HOPE the American people don't listen to her. Let her speak all she wants, but I'd hope that we as a people would be educated enough to know what she says is complete bull
 
She may have a few valid points concerning Islamic violence and culture, but as with most religions blanket statements are generally inaccurate. All Christians are not Abortion Clinic terrorists, and all Muslims are not strapping on bombs to blow up markets.

Nevertheless, Those few do paint a negative picture that soils the majority.
 
She is no different than hundreds of people who have left a faith tradition or cultural and then spread lies and half-truths.

Brandeis is one of the centers of Jewish learning in this country. Deeply rooted in Jewish education and culture they are also a liberal community that struggles with difficult topics. This woman has said horrible things about Islam in general not just the extremists who use Islam to exploit power. Average Muslims are not in any way like the way she depicts Islam. Again, many of the anti-woman laws and customs pre-date Islam in Arabic culture and of course they are not ubiquitous in the Muslim world.

Now those who want her dead for her positions are worse. They not only pervert Islam but step outside of modernity and seek to find a place for their particular form of authoritarian positions.

But here is the thing, Brandeis has no obligation to honor this woman or anyone. They are not legally, morally or culturally obligated to give anyone a forum or show support for anyone who the community disagrees with. While Brandeis should have never extended the invite to this honor the reaction of many people in the greater Brandeis community to her was real.

BTW her first amendment rights are still intact and anyone saying differently is ignorant of what the 1st is.
 
Brandeis University’s Double Standard on Honorary degrees
Brandeis University’s double standard on honorary degrees
BY DAVID BERNSTEIN
April 9 -WashPost



The Shame of Brandeis

And of a culture that has lost its way
By Charles C. W. Cooke
APRIL 10, 2014 4:00 AM
The Shame of Brandeis | National Review Online



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I'd hate to think that Brandeis is responsive to every blowing wind, and I wonder why it considered an honorary degree for this woman in the first place. Was she on a list of "trendy" people who might enhance the university's prestige somehow? Was she not vetted? Not inviting her at all is fine with me; rescinding the invite because of political pressure, however, reflects poorly on Brandeis. Classless.
 
No, that wouldn't. Communism hasn't existed. Any attempt at communism has turned into fascism.
Sorry, Captain Courtesy, but when billions of people gather together and call themselves Communists we are obliged to call them Communists by their definition, not yours. The same is true of Socialists and Fascists. They were referred to everywhere as "The Communist World" and anyone who was critical, such as Ronald Reagan, was called 'extreme right wing.

Leftists are always trying to rewrite history but it's a little too early in the case of Communism. Wait a generation or two and then you might get away with calling Fascist and National Socialists 'right wing' but the memory of Communism is still too fresh in everyone's minds.
This is just conservative revisionism. Mussolini himself, the father or modern fascism, rejected the left wing. Fascism is a right wing movement.
Again, You seem unclear on Mussolini's past otr the definition of Fascism itself.
No, I mean conservatives.
So they did not call themselves Democrats but instead were the conservative party? The problem with you renaming these political movements to suit your own definitions is that history inevitably becomes distorted, and untrue. You might want to call them 'conservative Democrats' but to ignore their political party is to ignore history.
No, it's been the right, and there have been MANY examples. Go over to stormfront for confirmation of this.
Yes, maybe I will. But if you want to see the left lie, turn history on its head and silence others, it inevitably comes from the left.

Here's an interesting article. I don't expect you to read it but there might be many independents who might give it a go. The "Safe Space" is Where Cultures Go to Die :: SteynOnline
 
so, it was fear that the islamists would attack her at the presentation rather than her anti-islamic statements which caused her recognition to be pulled?
i don't think so
you indicated that it was followers of islam who prevented the recognition. clearly you are now back tracking on that post. good

Sorry, my friend, but you are too ignorant of the facts to warrant a response. Please familiarize yourself with the subject and then comment..
 
Re: Brandeis University withdraws planned honorary degree for Islam critic Ayaan Hirs

I wouldn't pay much attention to the NYT or Mother Jones, either. As far as the article goes, it doesn't address your point at all.
Right. You never read it.
You're kidding, right? You've been crowing about "free speech" since the beginning. Do you even know what free speech means? Further, those of you who believe in diversity of opinion are hypocrites. If you believe in diversity of opinion, why are you bitching about Brandeis's opinion?
I have been talking of how speech and diversity of opinion are important in any institute of learning. Please use the quote system..
 
Sorry, my friend, but you are too ignorant of the facts to warrant a response. Please familiarize yourself with the subject and then comment..
here is your post where you explained it was the islamists threats which caused her recognition to be rescinded. now share with me what i missed:
Yes, they have. By folding under pressure from CAIR and other Muslim groups other Universities will be fearful of inviting Hirsi Ali to speak. This is the way they silence dissent. Muslims have used these same tactics through the courts, through threats, or by actually murdering people who are critical of Islam.

She already has to be under guard 24 hours a day for speaking out and by denying her a forum, despite their initial invitation, it only reinforces the understanding that it is Muslims who will decide what is going to be said on the subject of misogyny in Islam and not a place of learning which used to stand for the right to expand human knowledge.

If she cannot speak at American Universities because of Muslim threats, where do you think she is safe to speak?
 
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