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Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Gardener said:

My goodness,how these definitions have changed. When I was a kid, those who supported preventing a woman of color from speaking out against misogyny were the right wingers.
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A good point but in fact it has always been left wingers who try to silence any opposition. This is no different than it was a century ago.
 
Gardener said:

My goodness,how these definitions have changed. When I was a kid, those who supported preventing a woman of color from speaking out against misogyny were the right wingers.
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Umm, no one prevented her from speaking.

Brandeis just refused to give her an honorary award.
 
Ali isn't just a critic of Islam. She's gone against many other religions:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hirsi Ali supported the move by the Dutch courts to abrogate the party subsidy to a conservative Protestant Christian political party, the Political Reformed Party (SGP), which did not grant full membership rights to women and still withholds passive voting rights from female members. She stated that "any political party discriminating against women or homosexuals should be deprived of funding."[95]
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In the Netherlands about half of all education has historically been provided by sponsored religious schools, most of them Catholic or Protestant. Ayaan Hirsi Ali said in November 2003 that no religious school should receive government financing,[citation needed] which brought her into conflict with Hans Wiegel, a prominent former VVD leader.
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As for Israel's problems, Hirsi Ali says, "From my superficial impression, the country also has a problem with fundamentalists. The ultra-Orthodox will cause a demographic problem because these fanatics have more children than the secular and the regular Orthodox."
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Her attitudes are really not that different than the average run of the mill American atheist's who isn't so much against religion but in favor of a secular society. This is the same person who supports a ban on religious schools, criticizes the state of Israel as having a problem with its Ultra-Orthodox groups and wouldn't think twice about attacking the American right wing for its views on homosexuality and women's rights. Painting her an as an Anti-Islamic feminist is pretty self serving of the same crowd that infests the ME forum.
 
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Re: Brandeis University withdraws planned honorary degree for Islam critic Ayaan Hirs

RiverDad said:
Another one who has never heard the concept of "lie of omission" nor the concept of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." There is enough data in the article which can be combined with general knowledge regarding liberal love of speech oppression and kowtowing to identity group grievances to support the argument that liberals caved to Muslim grievance mongers. You being a pedant is something that we have to tolerate, same with your delusions that you're actually making a valid point.
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And yet you nor anyone else has proven any evidence that liberals did anything. If you want to claim "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" then you have to have some actual evidence, not your typical, silly, and false partisan hack suppositions, none of which have any credibility. And your comments about speech oppression demonstrate that conservatives really have no idea what the First Amendment means. This is not surprising since their general knowledge of the Constitution is practically nil.

You want to demonstrate what a hack you are with every post you make, I can show just how silly and stupid your assertions are by making the exact same OPPOSITE assertions with the same evidence that you present... either none or inaccurate.
 
Grant said:
A good point but in fact it has always been left wingers who try to silence any opposition. This is no different than it was a century ago.
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Actually, we know that is has always been right wingers who try to silence any opposition. This is no different than it was a century ago.

Just like Riverdad... you make stupid partisan hack assertions that have no basis in reality, I will match you. Don't like it? Don't do it.
 
Re: Brandeis University withdraws planned honorary degree for Islam critic Ayaan Hirs

CaptainCourtesy said:
And yet you nor anyone else has proven any evidence that liberals did anything. If you want to claim "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" then you have to have some actual evidence, not your typical, silly, and false partisan hack suppositions, none of which have any credibility. And your comments about speech oppression demonstrate that conservatives really have no idea what the First Amendment means. This is not surprising since their general knowledge of the Constitution is practically nil.

You want to demonstrate what a hack you are with every post you make, I can show just how silly and stupid your assertions are by making the exact same OPPOSITE assertions with the same evidence that you present... either none or inaccurate.
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Let's look at the recent evidence of what 'liberals' have been saying and doing. The New Inquisition | National Review Online
 
Hatuey said:
Ali isn't just a critic of Islam. She's gone against many other religions:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Her attitudes are really not that different than the average run of the mill American atheist's who isn't so much against religion but in favor of a secular society. This is the same person who supports a ban on religious schools, criticizes the state of Israel as having a problem with its Ultra-Orthodox groups and wouldn't think twice about attacking the American right wing for its views on homosexuality and women's rights. Painting her an as an Anti-Islamic feminist is pretty self serving of the same crowd that infests the ME forum.
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Some of her views are mainstream and some are not, mainly because her learning and life experience has been so out of the mainstream.

Horsi Ali would have made an excellent recipient of the honor, given the history of Brandeis, but pressures from the Islamists got it cancelled. It's not the first time this has happened and probably not the last.
 
sangha said:
She has the same opportunity to speak whether she gets an award or not
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Yes, under 24 hour guard. It would have been a great opportunity for University students to hear what she has to say.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Actually, we know that is has always been right wingers who try to silence any opposition. This is no different than it was a century ago.

Just like Riverdad... you make stupid partisan hack assertions that have no basis in reality, I will match you. Don't like it? Don't do it.
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The Communists were the largest political, and most violent movement ever, over the last Century and lasted, roughly, from 1917 to 1990, with just a few pockets remaining.

Was free speech ever allowed in those countries? Are they allowed in what's left?
 
sangha said:
With or without a guard.
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She has two full time guards. Her former partner was murdered on the streets of Amsterdam with a note attached to his body saying she would be next. Perhaps the students of Brandeis were to sensitive to hear some of these realities, otherwise it would have been a very interesting and educational talk.
 
Grant said:
She has two full time guards. Her former partner was murdered on the streets of Amsterdam with a note attached to his body saying she would be next. Perhaps the students of Brandeis were to sensitive to hear some of these realities, otherwise it would have been a very interesting and educational talk.
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She can say whatever she wants. And if the Brandeis students want to hear it, they can listen.
 
Grant said:
Some of her views are mainstream and some are not, mainly because her learning and life experience has been so out of the mainstream.

Horsi Ali would have made an excellent recipient of the honor, given the history of Brandeis, but pressures from the Islamists got it cancelled. It's not the first time this has happened and probably not the last.
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Ad I questioned the notion that she's an "anti-Islamic" voice. She's a secularist and atheist.
 
It's a shame that they were pressured into withdrawing the honor. She richly deserves it for the work that she's done.
 
mbig said:
Again, How many Muslims of the 1.5 Billion live in the US/EU?
1%-2% Restricted by our laws.
Ooops.
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No "oops".

And absence of "our laws" (or the "rule of law" in the West more generally) is the operative concept.

Not religion.

Other big contributors are poverty, lack of opportunity, and ignorance (as it relates to lack of availability of basic education).

What IS happening (in further demo of the "nihilistic death cult" beyond killing apostates, adulterers, gays, etc), Is the Persecution, Cleansing, and Killing of Non-Muslims and Muslims of other sects WORLDWIDE.
Not just by 'terror' groups, but my Mainstream Muslims and their Governments from Mauritania to Mindinao.

Many people are persecuted, cleansed, or die Every day in the Name of Islam.
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Agreed.

And many people are persecuted, cleansed, or die every day in the name of plenty other than Islam.

Persecution, cleansing, or killing in the name of Christianity is another big culprit.

Bush was an apologist for Islam, as are many in government necessarily.
They can't tell the truth, that these 'Extremist' muslims are in fact not perverting the religion at all.
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Nonsense, and, nonsense.
 
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soot said:
Other big contributors are poverty, lack of opportunity, and ignorance (as it relates to lack of availability of basic education).
And many people are persecuted, cleansed, or die every day in the name of plenty other than Islam.
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Where are these 'many people'? North Korea? Cuba?

Persecution, cleansing, or killing in the name of Christianity is another big culprit.
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Really? where is that going on?
 
sangha said:
She can say whatever she wants. And if the Brandeis students want to hear it, they can listen.
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It was a commencement speech, sangha. The university revoked the event. Even if someone at Brandeis invites her back to speak, I think that that situation is unlikely.

We went through the same issue in 2010 for UW Madison. I realize it is a mixed issue. Muslims are apart of a stigmatized community. However that does not excuse their religious views from criticism, especially those criticisms coming from an ex-Muslim convert.
 
brothern said:
It was a commencement speech, sangha. The university revoked the event. Even if someone at Brandeis invites her back to speak, I think that that situation is unlikely.
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Untrue. The commencement ceremony was not cancelled.

We went through the same issue in 2010 for UW Madison. I realize it is a mixed issue. Muslims are apart of a stigmatized community. However that does not excuse their religious views from criticism, especially those criticisms coming from an ex-Muslim convert.
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No one has said that their religious views can not be criticized. However, free speech does not require Brandeis to honor anyone simply because you (or anyone else) agrees with what she says.
 
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