Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

mbig · Apr 11, 2014

There is no greater force for Muzzling Free speech in America than Liberal Academia.
Brandeis, a liberal and Jewish-sponsored high end institution, has hosted Israel critics and anti-semites, but has withdrawn it's invitation to honor the Heroic Ayaan Hirsi Ali at it's commencement.

As well as being a critic of Radical Islam, She has said some critical things about Islam in general. Yup, and all True they are too.

The Snakes at CAIR apparently had a big hand in the withdrawal.

Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali (+video) - CSMonitor.com
(+video)
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a former member of the Dutch Parliament, is known for her feminist work but also for her criticism of Islam, which she called a 'destructive, nihilistic cult of death.'
By Elizabeth Barber, Staff Writer / April 9, 2014

Under fire from students and Muslim activists, Brandeis University has canceled plans to present Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the feminist and prominent critic of Islam, with an honorary degree at its commencement ceremonies in May, saying some of her statements were at odds with the school’s “core values.”

Ms. Ali, a native of Somalia and a former member of the Dutch Parliament, is known for her feminist work but also for her anti-Islam views, including such comments as calling the religion a “destructive, nihilistic cult of death.”

“She is a compelling public figure and advocate for women’s rights, and we respect and appreciate her work to protect and defend the rights of women and girls throughout the world,” Brandeis said in a statement Tuesday.

“That said, we cannot overlook certain of her past statements that are inconsistent with Brandeis University's core values.”
The university said it would welcome Ali “to join us on campus in the future to engage in a dialogue about these important issues.”
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Also
Islam Critic: Brandeis Turned Honor Into a Shaming
Islam Critic: Brandeis Turned Honor Into a Shaming - ABC News

and many more we will hopefully get to down the string.

mbig · Apr 11, 2014

Brandeis University’s Double Standard on Honorary degrees
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...4/04/09/brandeis-universitys-double-standard/
BY DAVID BERNSTEIN
April 9 -WashPost

A few years back, Brandeis University awarded an honorary degree to Tony Kushner. This was controversial because Brandeis is a Jewish-sponsored (but non-sectarian) university that has historically had very close ties to Israel. Indeed, the university’s namesake, Justice Brandeis, led the American Zionist movement for some time. Kushner, meanwhile, was not only known for his hostility to Israel in general, but for making inflammatory statements such as “The biggest supporters of Israel are the most repulsive members of the Jewish community,” a direct insult to Brandeis’s many faculty, students, alumni, and donors who are strong supporters of Israel.

Despite objections, Brandeis went ahead with the award, with the university president explaining:

Brandeis bestows honorary degrees as a means of acknowledging the outstanding accomplishments or contributions of individual men and women in any of a number of fields of human endeavor. Just as Brandeis does not inquire into the political opinions and beliefs of faculty or staff before appointing them, or students before offering admission, so too the University does not select honorary degree recipients on the basis of their political beliefs or opinions.

Fast forward to today’s news. Brandeis University has decided to withdraw its planned award of an honorary degree to Ayaan Hirsa Ali, a well-known defender of women’s rights in the Islamic world. A university statement explains: “She is a compelling public figure and advocate for women’s rights, and we respect and appreciate her work to protect and defend the rights of women and girls throughout the world. That said, we cannot overlook certain of her past statements that are inconsistent with Brandeis University’s core values.” (Ali, who was raised Muslim but now identifies with no religion, has often criticized Islam, sometimes quite harshly.)

If it’s true that the university wasn’t aware of Ali’s well-known public statements about Islam before it decided to grant her an honorary degree, that’s rather embarrassing. Worse yet, juxtaposing the Kushner and Ali situations, it turns out that the university DOES award honorary degrees based on the potential honoree’s opinions. And apparently, while expressing hostility to Islam conflicts with Brandeis’s “core values,” engaging in vile insults against American Jews who support Israel does not.

For what it’s worth, if I were King I’d abolish honorary degrees entirely, and choose commencement speakers who won’t use the opportunity to advance an ideological agenda. But meanwhile, not to put too fine a point on it, it seems we’ve learned that Brandeis’s “core values” include the idea that offensive speech from politically correct sources like Kushner is not disqualifying for an honorary degree, but offensive speech that is not politically correct like Ali’s is disqualifying.

The Shame of Brandeis
And of a culture that has lost its way
By Charles C. W. Cooke
APRIL 10, 2014 4:00 AM
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/375450/shame-brandeis-charles-c-w-cooke

The progression is becoming miserably familiar: first, an invitation is proffered to someone of heterodox views; next, the forces of conformity congeal and solidify, circulating petitions, banging drums, and rambling about justice and what you will; then the would-be host begins to worry, announcing meekly that it is reviewing its options; and finally, the invitation is shamefully revoked, usually under the paradoxical auspices of broadmindedness and inclusion. “We’re sorry,” the typical explanation runs, “but we’re too permissive to allow your sort.”

This week’s target was the atheist and women’s-rights activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali, whose invitation to Brandeis University’s commencement ceremony was rescinded after pressure from an array of bleeding hearts threatened to turn the event into a learning experience. “Following a discussion today between President Frederick Lawrence and Ayaan Hirsi Ali,” Brandeis confirmed yesterday afternoon, “Ms. Hirsi Ali’s name has been withdrawn as an honorary degree recipient at this year’s commencement.” And that, as they say, was that.

Those who have remarked reflexively that they could not imagine a university giving in to pressure leveled against a staunch critic of Christianity or Judaism presumably do not know just how right they are.

Responding to criticism after it elected to confer an honorary degree on Tony Kushner — a playwright who has admitted to having “a problem with the idea of a Jewish state” and to believing that “the biggest supporters of Israel are the most repulsive members of the Jewish community” —
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24107 · Apr 11, 2014

I agree freedom of speech is a good thing, because you can find out people's true intentions. Check out this interesting meeting at a nice hotel in Jerusalem. Saying how it is ok to kill Gentiles including children.

eohrnberger · Apr 11, 2014

What do you expect when what you speak of is counter to political (over)correctness? You were still believing that the universities aren't dominated by liberal / progressives? Ha! This has been an often covered topic here at DP.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...-indoctrination-baltimore-school-w-101-a.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...g-education-system-indoctrinate-our-kids.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-...ate-children-push-obama-propaganda-video.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...8-more-indoctrination-elementary-schools.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...im-pretty-sure-would-indoctrinating-kids.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/8756-indoctrination-classroom.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/8738-more-tax-dollars-liberal-indoctrinization.html

Demon of Light · Apr 11, 2014

They declined to give her an honorary degree. I fail to see the issue with that. At the same time, while I cannot speak for other criticisms, it is most definitely not accurate to describe Islam as a "destructive, nihilistic cult of death" and that is an understandable cause for denying her the honor.

Grant · Apr 11, 2014

Demon of Light said:
They declined to give her an honorary degree. I fail to see the issue with that. At the same time, while I cannot speak for other criticisms, it is most definitely not accurate to describe Islam as a "destructive, nihilistic cult of death" and that is an understandable cause for denying her the honor.

Calling Islam a destructive, nihilistic cult of death is freedom of speech and not such a great exaggeration as far as women, her main issue, is concerned. If Muslims want to upgrade their image they might first do something about their infamous treatment of women, rather than attacking people who dare speak out about it..

Hirsa Ali is one of the bravest people in the world and under constant threat from Muslims trying to kill her. She needs 24 hour protection from them.

Brandeis made their move out of fear from Islamists, just as the media and Comedy Central folded for the same reasons when they were threatened. The MSM stopped reporting Muslim atrocities long ago.

L0neW0lf · Apr 11, 2014

More faux outrage.

from your link;

The university said it would welcome Ali “to join us on campus in the future to engage in a dialogue about these important issues

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Muzzling Free speech in America

If you want muzzling of free speech look at pro Israeli lobbyists with their futile attempts to threaten universities that allow anti Israeli activism within their campuses with cuts in funding.

soot · Apr 11, 2014

Grant said:
Calling Islam a destructive, nihilistic cult of death is freedom of speech and not such a great exaggeration as far as women, her main issue, is concerned.

No Muslim women that I know feel that Islam is a "destructive, nihilistic cult of death".

Of course, most of the Muslim women I know live and work in the NY/NJ area.

Ms. Ali's experience with Islam in Somalia, Saudi Arabia, and Kenya might be significantly different.

If so, I would think that he argument with Islam might be tied to practice of the religion within Middle Eastern or African social/cultural/economic/political paradigm.

You don't need to spend a lot of time scouring the world's information resources to find plentiful examples of women (and children) in the Middle Eastern or African world being treated like property (at best).

Since Muslims in the West generally don't practice a "destructive, nihilistic cult of death" brand of Islam, but people in the Middle Eastern or African regardless of religion seem to have a penchant for turning darn near anything into a "destructive, nihilistic cult of death", maybe we should be looking at the regions where destructive Islam is practiced rather than at the religion itself?

sangha · Apr 11, 2014

I see we have another example of right wingers demonstrating their failure to understand the First Amendment, and how it doesn't limit private entities.

1750Texan · Apr 11, 2014

mbig said:
There is no greater force for Muzzling Free speech in America than Liberal Academia.
Brandeis, a liberal and Jewish-sponsored high end institution, has hosted Israel critics and anti-semites, but has withdrawn it's invitation to honor the Heroic Ayaan Hirsi Ali at it's commencement.

As well as being a critic of Radical Islam, She has said some critical things about Islam in general. Yup, and all True they are too.

The Snakes at CAIR apparently had a big hand in the withdrawal.

Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali (+video) - CSMonitor.com
(+video)
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a former member of the Dutch Parliament, is known for her feminist work but also for her criticism of Islam, which she called a 'destructive, nihilistic cult of death.'
By Elizabeth Barber, Staff Writer / April 9, 2014

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Also
Islam Critic: Brandeis Turned Honor Into a Shaming
Islam Critic: Brandeis Turned Honor Into a Shaming - ABC News

and many more we will hopefully get to down the string.

Brandeis University is not the arbiter of free speech. By Brandeis choosing to have an anti-radical Islamic critic not speak at commencement in no way limits the critics ability to speak to thousands of other forums in which her words would be heard; is in no way a limit of free speech.

ludin · Apr 11, 2014

soot said:
No Muslim women that I know feel that Islam is a "destructive, nihilistic cult of death".

Of course, most of the Muslim women I know live and work in the NY/NJ area.

Ms. Ali's experience with Islam in Somalia, Saudi Arabia, and Kenya might be significantly different.

If so, I would think that he argument with Islam might be tied to practice of the religion within Middle Eastern or African social/cultural/economic/political paradigm.

You don't need to spend a lot of time scouring the world's information resources to find plentiful examples of women (and children) in the Middle Eastern or African world being treated like property (at best).

Since Muslims in the West generally don't practice a "destructive, nihilistic cult of death" brand of Islam, but people in the Middle Eastern or African regardless of religion seem to have a penchant for turning darn near anything into a "destructive, nihilistic cult of death", maybe we should be looking at the regions where destructive Islam is practiced rather than at the religion itself?

yes they don't live in the middle east. in the middle east still women are still considered property. stonings and honor kills still happen on frequent basis.
the only reason it isn't practiced here is because we have laws against such things.

althought that hasn't stopped it from happening. there have been stories here and there about honor killings and such in the US.

mbig · Apr 11, 2014

soot said:
No Muslim women that I know feel that Islam is a "destructive, nihilistic cult of death".
Of course, most of the Muslim women I know live and work in the NY/NJ area.
Ms. Ali's experience with Islam in Somalia, Saudi Arabia, and Kenya might be significantly different.

If so, I would think that he argument with Islam might be tied to practice of the religion within Middle Eastern or African social/cultural/economic/political paradigm.

You don't need to spend a lot of time scouring the world's information resources to find plentiful examples of women (and children) in the Middle Eastern or African world being treated like property (at best).

Since Muslims in the West generally don't practice a "destructive, nihilistic cult of death" brand of Islam, but people in the Middle Eastern or African regardless of religion seem to have a penchant for turning darn near anything into a "destructive, nihilistic cult of death", maybe we should be looking at the regions where destructive Islam is practiced rather than at the religion itself?

Then again, Your "NY/NJ" area experience with Islam (and Less than .1% of it's adherents) might not be as representative as hers!
Doncha think?
It's certainly Tiny compared to the population of Muslims in just the countries you mention/Concede above.

Your post is what we call the 'anecdote fallacy', be it witting or unwitting.

Because Muslims worldwide, Favor (with mostly Large majorities down to Significant minorities), things like Sharia law, specifically including it's most Barbaric punishments. (Pew et al)
Ayaan has also lived in Europe, being a former Dutch parliament member.
Her opinions Not limited to just Islam's treatment of women, but it's overall character.

Sababa · Apr 11, 2014

mbig said:
There is no greater force for Muzzling Free speech in America than Liberal Academia.
Brandeis, a liberal and Jewish-sponsored high end institution, has hosted Israel critics and anti-semites, but has withdrawn it's invitation to honor the Heroic Ayaan Hirsi Ali at it's commencement.

As well as being a critic of Radical Islam, She has said some critical things about Islam in general. Yup, and all True they are too.

The Snakes at CAIR apparently had a big hand in the withdrawal.

Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali (+video) - CSMonitor.com
(+video)
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a former member of the Dutch Parliament, is known for her feminist work but also for her criticism of Islam, which she called a 'destructive, nihilistic cult of death.'
By Elizabeth Barber, Staff Writer / April 9, 2014

`

Also
Islam Critic: Brandeis Turned Honor Into a Shaming
Islam Critic: Brandeis Turned Honor Into a Shaming - ABC News

and many more we will hopefully get to down the string.

This bigoted woman's free speech is intact....anyone saying differently doesn't understand the concept.

mbig · Apr 11, 2014

1750Texan said:
Brandeis University is not the arbiter of free speech. By Brandeis choosing to have an anti-radical Islamic critic not speak at commencement in no way limits the critics ability to speak to thousands of other forums in which her words would be heard; is in no way a limit of free speech.

For you and sangha...
I did specifically criticize "Brandeis" and "Liberal Academia", NOT the USA re 'Free Speech', perhaps more accurately, preventing the hearing of diversity of opinion on campus.
Partially outlined/documented by eohrnberger his post on the last page.

I see few are willing to take up the Actual issue raised, instead going for the Strawman about the National right of such.

Sababa · Apr 11, 2014

Grant said:
Calling Islam a destructive, nihilistic cult of death is freedom of speech and not such a great exaggeration as far as women, her main issue, is concerned.

Yes it is an exaggeration.........most of the issues she has are pre-Islamic practices........

If Muslims want to upgrade their image they might first do something about their infamous treatment of women, rather than attacking people who dare speak out about it.

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And while this statement makes no sense in the real world it certainly does in the fictional world of people who believe that women are second class citizens in Islam. Despite the fact the women have led Muslim countries including the country with the most Muslims in world.

Hirsa Ali is one of the bravest people in the world and under constant threat from Muslims trying to kill her. She needs 24 hour protection from them.

Yes and that is terrible and I condemn those who want to kill her.

Brandeis made their move out of fear from Islamists, just as the media and Comedy Central folded for the same reasons when they were threatened. The MSM stopped reporting Muslim atrocities long ago.

No Brandeis moved to not give an honor to a bigot.

L0neW0lf · Apr 11, 2014

ludin said:
yes they don't live in the middle east. in the middle east still women are still considered property.

Really? I should go promptly inform my sisters and my mother that they are my property, it looks like they've been pulling a fast one on me.

I wonder how I should honor kill them? decisions, decisions.

Grant · Apr 11, 2014

Sababa said:
Yes it is an exaggeration.........most of the issues she has are pre-Islamic practices........

That is untrue. She was also a victim of these practices

And while this statement makes no sense in the real world it certainly does in the fictional world of people who believe that women are second class citizens in Islam. Despite the fact the women have led Muslim countries including the country with the most Muslims in world.

This women leadership excuse is used often to demonstrate equaliy of women, or something, and it might be quite different for women from more prosperous and educated families. But women with less status are definitely treated little better than cattle.

Yes and that is terrible and I condemn those who want to kill her.

Wonderful! You should condemn openly and honestly, as Hirsi Ali does, but you know you would have to remain under guard from excited Muslims 24 hours a day for the rest of your life.

No Brandeis moved to not give an honor to a bigot.

Hirsi Ali is a bigot??? Are you certain you understand the meaning of the world? Those who silence her and want to murder her are the obvious bigots. Muslims, as is well known, are the most numerous bigots in the world.

Del Zeppnile · Apr 11, 2014

sangha said:
I see we have another example of right wingers demonstrating their failure to understand the First Amendment, and how it doesn't limit private entities.

Just wondering where the outrage is from groups like National Organization of Women? If this woman had claimed to have been abused by Baptists she would already be the poster child for the feminist left.

ludin · Apr 11, 2014

L0neW0lf said:
Really? I should go promptly inform my sisters and my mother that they are my property, it looks like they've been pulling a fast one on me.

I wonder how I should honor kill them? decisions, decisions.

You are not the father and if they lived in Iran, and saudi arbia and other areas yes they would be treated that way.

AlbqOwl · Apr 11, 2014

Del Zeppnile said:
Just wondering where the outrage is from groups like National Organization of Women? If this woman had claimed to have been abused by Baptists she would already be the poster child for the feminist left.

And here is the glaring huge hypocrisy that has taken over a large chunk of the American culture. There are the privileged who can be forgiven anything, who will have their racist, bigoted, prejudicial, sexist, hateful comments justified because of 'circumstances' or ignored as unimportant because the person is politically correct. And then there are those who can't use a twitch or facial expression in disapproval of something ordained 'good' by the left, who will have every syllable they utter scoured for something that is politically incorrect, and who can be disparaged by any means because they hold the 'wrong' attitudes or views.

There was a time when universities invited everybody from the most zealous communist to the most strident Birchers to speak on college campuses, and the speakers were attended and treated politely and with respect by their audiences. And then the professors would engage us in our opinions, perceptions, and observations about what the speakers offered. As such we learned to think critically and objectively about what we heard and read and observed and it made us much better educated people than those who are indoctrinated with what it is proper and acceptable to believe and think.

It is too bad that universities are now such close minded, authoritarian places that no longer educate but indoctrinate. And the fact that this is due to fear of violence by others makes it even more tragic.

soot · Apr 11, 2014

mbig said:
Then again, Your "NY/NJ" area experience with Islam (and Less than .1% of it's adherents) might not be as representative as hers!
Doncha think?

Umm, I said as much didn't I?

So, yeah, I thought it first.

It's certainly Tiny compared to the population of Muslims in just the countries you mention/Concede above.

It certainly is.

Your post is what we call the 'anecdote fallacy', be it witting or unwitting.

My personal experience is anecdotal, sure.

But I just used my anecdotal experience to introduce a fact, not as the sole substantiation of that fact.

According to Pew (et al, of course) there were about 2 million Muslims living in the U.S. in 2007.

How many female stonings were there in 2007 attributed to Muslims?

How many "honor killings"?

How much "destructive, nihilistic cult of death" type behavior of any sort can be attributed to Muslims in America during 2007?

How about in the West more generally?

The answer, if you're honest about it, is not a whole heck of a lot.

Because Muslims worldwide, Favor (with mostly Large majorities down to Significant minorities), things like Sharia law, specifically including it's most Barbaric punishments. (Pew et al)

Sharia law is not the handbook on how to run a "destructive, nihilistic cult of death". It's just a code of law based on religious beliefs. You'd think that it was somehow altogether different than our own laws being based, loosely, on Christian religious tradition. There are plenty of nations that incorporate Sharia into their judicial systems (in whole or in part) and are generally considered perfectly nice, modern, friendly countries. Sharia law might kinda cramp your style a little bit if you're of a more "progressive" mindset, as almost all of us in the West are these days, but it really isn't a great deal different than how things were in puritanical America 100 years ago. Certain behavior is "illegal" because it is seen as "immoral" (homosexuality, abortion, sex out of wedlock, etc...) but it isn't like people in Singapore or Qatar are being beheaded over these things (no more than homosexuals in America, circa 1940, were regularly being beheaded by the state as a result of being caught breaking "sodomy" laws).

Ayaan has also lived in Europe, being a former Dutch parliament member.

I'm aware. A peaceful and secular Western country. Interesting, but largely irrelevant. Unless we talk about her lies, and the citizenship controversy, and how her unethical and inexcusable behavior brought down the PM's Cabinet. But yeah, otherwise irrelevant.

Her opinions Not limited to just Islam's treatment of women, but it's overall character.

Right, which, overall, in my opinion, is grandstanding nonsense.

It's the same "boogeyman" argument that the Bush and Obama administrations made, and are making, regarding the terror that is Islam.

It got Ali asylum (illegally), a (mostly) free western education, and a position in government that she had no legal right to hold.

It got us Americans the DHS, the NSA being turned inward, extrajudicial killings of American citizens, and on, and on, and on...

If you know how to capitalize on the "Islam is evil" trend that preys on the fears, ignorance, and gullibility of people it can certainly be lucrative.

mbig · Apr 11, 2014

soot said:
Umm, I said as much didn't I?
So, yeah, I thought it first.
It certainly is.
My personal experience is anecdotal, sure.
But I just used my anecdotal experience to introduce a fact, not as the sole substantiation of that fact.
According to Pew (et al, of course) there were about 2 million Muslims living in the U.S. in 2007.
How many female stonings were there in 2007 attributed to Muslims?
How many "honor killings"?
How much "destructive, nihilistic cult of death" type behavior of any sort can be attributed to Muslims in America during 2007?
How about in the West more generally?
The answer, if you're honest about it, is not a whole heck of a lot.

So you admit your experience in the "NY/NJ" area, now USA overall, even West overall, is NOT representative. Yet now, and definitely aware you are Misleading, ask the strawman 'how many' in the America/West' anyway.
Again, How many Muslims of the 1.5 Billion live in the US/EU?
1%-2% Restricted by our laws.
Ooops.

soot said:

Sharia law is not the handbook on how to run a "destructive, nihilistic cult of death". It's just a code of law based on religious beliefs. You'd think that it was somehow altogether different than our own laws being based, loosely, on Christian religious tradition. There are plenty of nations that incorporate Sharia into their judicial systems (in whole or in part) and are generally considered perfectly nice, modern, friendly countries. Sharia law might kinda cramp your style a little bit if you're of a more "progressive" mindset, as almost all of us in the West are these days, but it really isn't a great deal different than how things were in puritanical America 100 years ago. Certain behavior is "illegal" because it is seen as "immoral" (homosexuality, abortion, sex out of wedlock, etc...) but it isn't like people in Singapore or Qatar are being beheaded over these things (no more than homosexuals in America, circa 1940, were regularly being beheaded by the state as a result of being caught breaking "sodomy" laws).

Click to expand...

And again, Sharia, is just another example of Islam's general intolerance. Islam is not just about Women, Not just about Sharia.

What IS happening (in further demo of the "nihilistic death cult" beyond killing apostates, adulterers, gays, etc), Is the Persecution, Cleansing, and Killing of Non-Muslims and Muslims of other sects WORLDWIDE.
Not just by 'terror' groups, but my Mainstream Muslims and their Governments from Mauritania to Mindinao.

Many people are persecuted, cleansed, or die Every day in the Name of Islam.

BTW, Singapore is Not a Muslim country.
But - and thx for mentioning it - it's former leader, Lee Kuan Yew, had plenty to say on Muslim Intolerance and lack of willingness to integrate there.
(links available)

soot said:

It's the same "boogeyman" argument that the Bush and Obama administrations made, and are making, regarding the terror that is Islam.
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If you know how to capitalize on the "Islam is evil" trend that preys on the fears, ignorance, and gullibility of people it can certainly be lucrative.

Click to expand...

Bush was an apologist for Islam, as are many in government necessarily.
They can't tell the truth, that these 'Extremist' muslims are in fact not perverting the religion at all.
ie, for many years, bin Laden was the most popular man in the Muslim world.
Unlike in Christianity or Judaism, Literalism is Mainstream in Islam.

Practising Muslim reformer Irshad Manji:

".....The trouble with Islam today is that Literalism is Mainstream.
Even Moderate Muslims take the Koran as the final word of God: unfiltered, unchanged and Unchangeable.
This Supremacy complex inhibits us from asking hard questions about what happens when faith becomes dogma.
Such a path can lead only to a dead end of more Violence...."
The Australian: Irshad Manji: Denial is scourge of Islam [August 23, 2005]

And like Hirsi Ali, Manji lives behind bullet-proof glass... even in Canada.

sangha · Apr 11, 2014

mbig said:
For you and sangha...
I did specifically criticize "Brandeis" and "Liberal Academia", NOT the USA re 'Free Speech', perhaps more accurately, preventing the hearing of diversity of opinion on campus.
Partially outlined/documented by eohrnberger his post on the last page.

I see few are willing to take up the Actual issue raised, instead going for the Strawman about the National right of such.

You're digging yourself into an even bigger hole, and it's hilarious how you don't even have a clue

There is no such thing as a "national right". Free speech is right that every individual has under our constitution, and it includes Brandeis' right to *not* allow itself to be used as a forum for whomever it chooses.

Your belief that this has anything to do with free speech is just another demonstration of how many right wingers don't understand the most basic things about rights

sangha · Apr 11, 2014

Del Zeppnile said:
Just wondering where the outrage is from groups like National Organization of Women? If this woman had claimed to have been abused by Baptists she would already be the poster child for the feminist left.

And I see another right wing fighter for the First Amendment who thinks it means that some people should be compelled to speak.

mbig · Apr 11, 2014

mbig said:
For you and sangha...

I did specifically criticize "Brandeis" and "Liberal Academia", NOT the USA re 'Free Speech', perhaps more accurately, preventing the hearing of diversity of opinion on campus.
Partially outlined/documented by eohrnberger his post on the last page.

I see few are willing to take up the Actual issue raised, instead going for the Strawman about the National right of such.

sangha said:
You're digging yourself into an even bigger hole, and it's hilarious how you don't even have a clue

There is no such thing as a "national right". Free speech is right that every individual has under our constitution, and it includes Brandeis' right to *not* allow itself to be used as a forum for whomever it chooses.

Your belief that this has anything to do with free speech is just another demonstration of how many right wingers don't understand the most basic things about rights

The usually gratuitously an nonsensically combative Clownery by sangha.

sangha: "There is no such thing as a "national right". Free speech is right that every individual has under our constitution.."

Duhnother words, there IS such a thing as a "national right" for US Citizens/NATIONALS as elaborated by the Constitution.
In FACT, the right is Only "national." We don't carry it with us to Yemen.
Sangha Self-impeached with is Oxymoronic sentence.

There are NO such thing as "natural" or "god given" or Any other rights that can't be enforced by the Body that elaborates them. In this case, the/our NATIONAL govt/constitution.

And as you can see above, I clarified to be more precise as well. It was anything BUT "a bigger hole"
Again:
mbig: "I did specifically criticize "Brandeis" and "Liberal Academia", NOT the USA re 'Free Speech', perhaps More Accurately, preventing the hearing of diversity of opinion on campus."

That, and again Contrary to your Obtuse take, was anything But a "bigger hole": that was taking any 'Right' OUT of it and Clarifying it to [preventing] "diversity of opinion" Instead.

What a Goofy Wrong-headed take from the board's most persistent Wrong Last-worder.
More nonsensical BS to inevitably follow.
May answer only to hold his goofy posts up for more Ridicule, may not bother.

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