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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Actually, it is a massive exaggeration. For one "nihilistic" plainly does not apply and use of the term betrays either an ignorance of the term's meaning or a dishonest criticism. The "cult of death" part is more judging Islam for the actions of some of its adherents, rather than the actual tenets of the faith. It does not center on death particularly more than any other religion and it is just one of many faiths where war and capital punishment are discussed as acceptable under the right circumstances. Much of Shariah law is not actually derived from the Quran, but the hadith, which are subject to interpretation with their veracity often questioned. It is quite probable that certain Islamic scholars are simply reading into a given text what they want as people are wont to do with any text.
    There is only one religion commonly associated with terrorism and the serious abuse of women and that is Islam.

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERAL

    ARGLEBARGLE

    It is impossible to have a discussion around here without it turning into another "here's how liberals have wronged us today" cryfest.

    What the **** does a largely Jewish university wrongly pulling a speaking gig from a prominent speaker on the issues of Islam have to do with "liberalism"? Oh yeah -- if it's bad, it's "liberal."
    "Liberals" are showing once again their true feelings about genuine women's liberation the same way they claim to care about Blacks in America. When Muslim women genuinely are freed, perhaps in a hundred years or so, it will be 'liberals' who will once again try to take the credit.

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    "Liberals" are showing once again their true feelings about genuine women's liberation the same way they claim to care about Blacks in America. When Muslim women genuinely are freed, perhaps in a hundred years or so, it will be 'liberals' who will once again try to take the credit.
    This is gobbledygook.

    "True feelings about genuine women's liberation"? What the **** are you talking about? I haven't seen anyone here who's happy about Brandeis' move here. About the only arguments I've seen here outside of the usual liberal-bashing that goes with pretty much any thread these days is that either a. it's not a big issue, which it's not; or b. the idea that this is somehow an indictment of "liberals" is weapons-grade stupid.

    I understand in Grantland, everything liberals do is bad and everything bad that happens is the fault of liberals, but at least try to wrap your head around the idea that some things simply don't fit neatly into your completely one-sided left-right dichotomy.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    This is gobbledygook.

    "True feelings about genuine women's liberation"? What the **** are you talking about? I haven't seen anyone here who's happy about Brandeis' move here. About the only arguments I've seen here outside of the usual liberal-bashing that goes with pretty much any thread these days is that either a. it's not a big issue, which it's not; or b. the idea that this is somehow an indictment of "liberals" is weapons-grade stupid.

    I understand in Grantland, everything liberals do is bad and everything bad that happens is the fault of liberals, but at least try to wrap your head around the idea that some things simply don't fit neatly into your completely one-sided left-right dichotomy.
    Do you want to see Muslim women freed or don't you? Do you want to see Hirsi Ali speak out against the injustices many Muslim women suffer or not? Do you feel that Brandeis inviting her and reneging was wrong? Do you know that by doing that they also removed whatever chance she had to speak? Did you know also that Islamic pressure is also disallowing Universities from showing her film Honor Diaries?

    Do you genuinely feel that 'liberals' have been in the forefront in the rights for Muslim women, or do you feel that 'conservatives' have spoken out more in this regard?

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You're digging yourself into an even bigger hole, and it's hilarious how you don't even have a clue

    There is no such thing as a "national right". Free speech is right that every individual has under our constitution, and it includes Brandeis' right to *not* allow itself to be used as a forum for whomever it chooses.

    Your belief that this has anything to do with free speech is just another demonstration of how many right wingers don't understand the most basic things about rights
    Yes, Liberals understand that there are limits on free speech and if there is enough pressure applied then these rights can be rightfully terminated.

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali is one of my modern day heros. Having been raised in Islam, she knows exactly what it really is and what it teaches and she is outspoken because of this. She is an amazing woman. It does not matter really, that she is denied a voice at this particular venue...the publicity from this story will most likely introduce more people to her story, her life and what she stands for. Anyone, anywhere in the world who has the courage of their convictions and stands up to Islam to tell the Western world that they are being duped and Islam really is dangerous, will be persecuted, called a bigot and, in some cases assassinated. As an ex-Muslim she is under a death sentence anyway for having the courage to leave Islam, let alone anything else she says. It is always interesting to read/listen to ex-Muslims...the Islam they grew up in is, of course, different to the watered-down "Islam is a religion of peace" and "there are degrees of Islam and 'extremists' don't represent Islam" nonsense the Western world is being fed.

    Hopefully, I will be dead and buried before Islam emerges as the dominant force in the world (if I am not, it is the one thing that would make me commit suicide, having to live under Islam), but I have a daughter and 4 grand daughters and they may still be alive. My heart is sick from worry as to the world they may one day have to live in, a world of Islam. Sure, I am most likely going to be called an ignorant bigot, but I really don't care. The only satisfaction I will have is knowing that Westerners who just do not have a clue about Islam will be the first to be annihilated, all the time protesting that "it isn't right", and "what did I do, I supported you".

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you want to see Muslim women freed or don't you?
    Of course I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you want to see Hirsi Ali speak out against the injustices many Muslim women suffer or not?
    I HAVE seen Hirsi Ali speak out; she's been on several shows I have seen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you feel that Brandeis inviting her and reneging was wrong?
    Frankly, I'd tell CAIR to stick it where the sun don't shine, but that's just me. Do I agree with Brandeis reneging? No. Did they have the right to? Yes. Is Brandeis reneging some indictment of "liberals"? No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you know that by doing that they also removed whatever chance she had to speak?
    She's forbidden from speaking anywhere else, ever?

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    Did you know also that Islamic pressure is also disallowing Universities from showing her film Honor Diaries?
    No, "Islamic pressure" isn't disallowing jack nuts. People need to stop caving in every time someone says boo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you genuinely feel that 'liberals' have been in the forefront in the rights for Muslim women, or do you feel that 'conservatives' have spoken out more in this regard?
    I don't think that ANY appreciable amount of Americans, liberal or conservative, have been "in the forefront in the rights for Muslim women." It's one of those problems with the world that way, way too many people are all too willing to pretend doesn't exist.

    My objection to this thread is solely how the topic was plunked here and it turned into another excuse to bash "liberals." Which seems to be par for the course in pretty much every thread these days.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Of course I do.
    Then you will start speaking out against the treatement of Muslim women and begin pointing out the atrocities against them?
    I HAVE seen Hirsi Ali speak out; she's been on several shows I have seen.
    Because Brandeis reneged she lost the opportunity to speak there.
    Frankly, I'd tell CAIR to stick it where the sun don't shine, but that's just me
    . There is nothing stopping you from doing just that and no, it's not just you..
    Do I agree with Brandeis reneging? No. Did they have the right to? Yes. Is Brandeis reneging some indictment of "liberals"? No.
    Have a go at reading these letters from Brandeis Alumni

    An Open Letter to Brandeis President Frederick Lawrence | FrontPage Magazine


    She's forbidden from speaking anywhere else, ever?
    Don't be silly.
    No, "Islamic pressure" isn't disallowing jack nuts. People need to stop caving in every time someone says boo.
    In fact thats just what it was.
    I don't think that ANY appreciable amount of Americans, liberal or conservative, have been "in the forefront in the rights for Muslim women." It's one of those problems with the world that way, way too many people are all too willing to pretend doesn't exist.
    Agreed.
    My objection to this thread is solely how the topic was plunked here and it turned into another excuse to bash "liberals." Which seems to be par for the course in pretty much every thread these days.
    You think conservatives don't get bashed? Perhaps you can just learn to take criticism rather than constantly complaining about it.

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then you will start speaking out against the treatement of Muslim women and begin pointing out the atrocities against them?
    Who's to say I haven't? I generally don't discuss it here, since I think we can all agree it's bad and this is generally more of an informed community.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Who's to say I haven't? I generally don't discuss it here, since I think we can all agree it's bad and this is generally more of an informed community.
    Right. You use another forum to express your strong feelings for human rights.

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