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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    what are you suggesting is being defended. Ali is a liar who had to resign from Parliament because of it. She makes blanket statements about Islam that are untrue and does nothing to stop the horrors she only seems to notice is the Muslim world, all the while getting paid large sums of money to spread her lies and hate.
    Is she lying about genital mutilation in the Musim world? Is she lying about the lack of women's right's in the women's world?

    Like all dishonest people you want to make the debate about Hirsi Ali herself rather than what she is saying.

    Yes she is under the gun as Theo Van Gogh was and that is horrible and anyone caught threatening her should go to prison or worse. But the bottom line is she, like so many others, are simply spread hate for Islam and not fighting the bigger issue that exists in the world. Again female genital mutilation and forcing women to submit are not simply Islamic practices and predate Islam.
    Whether they pre-date Islam or not is quite beside the point. The fact is that is still being carried out in Islam today, which only underlines Islam's ties to medieval thoughts and practices. The same is true of child brides. But instead of directing their energies towards these barbaric practices, which takes the courage of a Hirsi Ali, Muslims like yourself will instead attack the messenger.

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    We can follow the history of this a little and see past Muslim aggression as well, but problems in Africa have been going on for centuries between warring factions. In the Middle East there is only the war against Jews and Christians from Muslims, but no war against Muslims.

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    what are you suggesting is being defended. Ali is a liar who had to resign from Parliament because of it. She makes blanket statements about Islam that are untrue and does nothing to stop the horrors she only seems to notice is the Muslim world, all the while getting paid large sums of money to spread her lies and hate. Yes she is under the gun as Theo Van Gogh was and that is horrible and anyone caught threatening her should go to prison or worse. But the bottom line is she, like so many others, are simply spread hate for Islam and not fighting the bigger issue that exists in the world. Again female genital mutilation and forcing women to submit are not simply Islamic practices and predate Islam.
    But you've been asked numerous times to cite such examples. What did she lie about? What statements has she made that are untrue?

    She pays particular attention to the Islamic world because it is her own heritage and because of the immediacy of the issue as it relates to the large Muslim community and culture clashes in the Netherlands. I'm sure if she was of a Congolese Animist background and it was a serious issue in her community and the world it would be a different story.

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

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    But you've been asked numerous times to cite such examples. What did she lie about? What statements has she made that are untrue?

    She pays particular attention to the Islamic world because it is her own heritage and because of the immediacy of the issue as it relates to the large Muslim community and culture clashes in the Netherlands. I'm sure if she was of a Congolese Animist background and it was a serious issue in her community and the world it would be a different story.
    This response from Mark Steyn is worth a read.

    MS: Well, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Somali woman, a black, feminist Somali who was raised in a brutal, extreme Islamic upbringing where she underwent female genital mutilation, and she was put in an arranged marriage and all the rest of it. And she managed to escape to the Netherlands and get elected to the Dutch Parliament, and she made a film about the state of Muslim women, about the life of women in the Muslim world called Submission. She wrote the film. The guy who directed it, Theo Van Gogh, the film so outraged Muslims in Amsterdam that one of them murdered him, all but decapitated him in the street. His last words were, “Can’t we just talk about it,” and the guy didn’t want to talk about it. He all but decapitated him, and his final act was to put a letter and used a knife to stab it through what was left of Theo Van Gogh’s chest, pledging among other things to do the same to Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Now she could have done what a lot of people do. She could have moved to New Zealand, gone into hiding, had a quiet, changed her name, had a quiet life. And instead, she has lived with that death threat and many others, and had the courage to speak out against it. Most of us are never called upon to be that brave. Most of us will never have to actually weigh those odds the way Ayaan did. And no one’s asking these ghastly squishes at Brandeis to show that kind of courage. All this pathetic president, I want to get his name right, I’ve got it written, Frederick Lawrence. All this wretched nothing eunuch man, Frederick Lawrence, had to do, he didn’t have to show courage on that scale. All he had to do was not cave in to pressure group bullies and allow this woman to speak and receive the worthless honorary degree from his worthless institution. These guys won’t defend Western Civilization, and Western Civilization will die, because it depends on the defense of losers like this guy.
    JW: And people when they get honorary degrees, it’s not like they only go to non-political people. Universities have awarded them in the recent past to people that want Israel to be wiped off the map and destroyed. Is that not right?
    MS: Yeah, that’s true. And that was Brandeis, a guy called Tony Kushner, who says that he thinks the creation of the state of Israel was a mistake, and that the pushiest and most obnoxious Jews are those who support Israel. You know, is that the, nobody is saying that an honorary degree is handed out to people whose every position you support. And most of us, you know, I accept that I’m, that certain kinds of awards I’m never going to get. And I stand back and occasionally roll my eyes at the dreary left-wing hacks invited to give commencement speeches, garlanded with state honors, things that if you trend to the right side of the spectrum, you know you’re going to be labeled controversial conservative, and you never go anywhere near. But this woman is a black, feminist atheist from Somalia. And so what we’re learning here which is fascinating, in the hierarchy of progressive politics identity group victimhood, Islam trumps everything. Islam trumps gender. The fact that she’s a woman doesn’t matter. It trumps race. The fact that she’s black doesn’t matter. It trumps secularism. The fact that she’s an atheist doesn’t matter. They wouldn’t do this if it was a Christian group complaining about her, if it was a Jewish group complaining about her. But when the Islamic lobby group says oh, no, we’re not putting up with this, as I said, these jelly-spined nothings at Brandeis just roll over for them.

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