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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Been practicing your non sequitors lately there,Bubba,and wanted to give them ago?
    wanted you to see the foolishness of your post
    i took your statement and substituted 'zionism' for 'islamism', and 'left' for 'right'
    was hopeful you might then notice how inappropriate that blanket statement you posted would be found if you saw it framing an argument against your own religious beliefs
    appears my linguistic reach exceeded your grasp; for that i extend my apologies

    What does the establishment of the state of Israel have to do with the subject matter,anyway?
    the blaspheme against islamism is no more acceptable than that against judaism ... pity i needed to point that out. really a pity
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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Yet, you were the one who characterized those who wished that this woman of color be afforded the opportunity to speak against misogyny as "right wingers".

    THis mindless,knee jerk reaction that frames any objection to Islamism as some sort of right wing reaction
    I never said that objections to Islamism are right wing. I said the whiners who are complaining about Brandeis and liberals are right wingers.


    certainly isn't at all uncommon as there are many thousands of examples on this site of dogmatic leftists acting similarly, but if you actually knew what conservative and liberal meant, you would be championing the rights of this woman of color to speak against the misogyny.
    She has the right to speak as much as she likes. Brandeis has done nothing to restrict her ability to speak out
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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    She has the right to speak as much as she likes. Brandeis has done nothing to restrict her ability to speak out
    Yes, they have. By folding under pressure from CAIR and other Muslim groups other Universities will be fearful of inviting Hirsi Ali to speak. This is the way they silence dissent. Muslims have used these same tactics through the courts, through threats, or by actually murdering people who are critical of Islam.

    She already has to be under guard 24 hours a day for speaking out and by denying her a forum, despite their initial invitation, it only reinforces the understanding that it is Muslims who will decide what is going to be said on the subject of misogyny in Islam and not a place of learning which used to stand for the right to expand human knowledge.

    If she cannot speak at American Universities because of Muslim threats, where do you think she is safe to speak?

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    CC, sangha, et al.
    One doesn't have to resort to a Conservative site like National Review to find critics of Brandeis' action", they are rightfully plentiful.

    I imprecisely used the term 'Free Speech' in my first few posts, but later corrected that to [with Left/liberal bias] restricting diversity on campus.
    It's a Strawman/avoiding the Real issue raised here, to make this a 'First Amendment' case when it's one of quashing of opinions by mainly/overwhelmingly Liberal academia. (polls galore) Including Brandeis.
    Yeah, of course, we all know Brandeis is private; etc, etc.

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    What both cases illustrate, with their fuzzy rhetoric masking ideological pressure, is a serious moral defect at the heart of elite culture in America.

    The defect, crucially, is not this culture's bias against social conservatives, nor its discomfort with stinging attacks on non-Western religions.
    Rather, it's the refusal to admit -- to others, and to itself -- that these biases fundamentally trump the commitment to "free expression" or "diversity" affirmed in mission statements and news releases.

    This refusal, this self-deception, means that we have far too many powerful communities (corporate, academic, journalistic) that are simultaneously dogmatic and dishonest about it -- that promise diversity but only as the left defines it, that fill their ranks with ideologues and then claim to stand athwart bias and misinformation, that speak the language of pluralism while presiding over communities that resemble the beau ideal of Sandra Y.L. Korn.

    Harvard itself is a perfect example of this pattern: As Patrick Deneen of Notre Dame pointed out when the column was making waves, Korn could only come up with one contemporary example of a Harvardian voice that ought to be silenced -- "a single conservative octogenarian," the political philosophy professor Harvey Mansfield. Her call for censorship, Deneen concluded, "is at this point almost wholly unnecessary, since there are nearly no conservatives to be found at Harvard."

    I am (or try to be) a partisan of pluralism, which requires respecting Mozilla's right to have a CEO whose politics fit the climate of Silicon Valley, and Brandeis' right to rescind degrees as it sees fit, and Harvard's freedom to be essentially a two-worldview community, with a campus shared uneasily by progressives and corporate neoliberals, and a small corner reserved for token reactionary cranks.

    But this respect is difficult to maintain when these institutions will not admit that this is what is going on. Instead, we have the pretense of universality -- the insistence that the post-Eich Mozilla is open to all ideas, the invocations of the "spirit of free expression" from a school that's kicking a controversial speaker off the stage.

    And with the pretense, increasingly, comes a dismissive attitude toward those institutions -- mostly religious -- that do acknowledge their own dogmas and commitments and ask for the freedom to embody them and live them out.

    It would be a far, far better thing if Harvard and Brandeis and Mozilla would simply say, explicitly, that they are as ideologically progressive as Notre Dame is Catholic or BYU is Mormon or Chick-fil-A is evangelical, and that they intend to run their institution according to those lights.

    I can live with the progressivism. It's the lying that gets toxic.
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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, they have. By folding under pressure from CAIR and other Muslim groups other Universities will be fearful of inviting Hirsi Ali to speak. This is the way they silence dissent. Muslims have used these same tactics through the courts, through threats, or by actually murdering people who are critical of Islam.

    She already has to be under guard 24 hours a day for speaking out and by denying her a forum, despite their initial invitation, it only reinforces the understanding that it is Muslims who will decide what is going to be said on the subject of misogyny in Islam and not a place of learning which used to stand for the right to expand human knowledge.

    If she cannot speak at American Universities because of Muslim threats, where do you think she is safe to speak?
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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I never said that objections to Islamism are right wing. I said the whiners who are complaining about Brandeis and liberals are right wingers.
    It seems that freedom of speech and diversity of opinion have become associated with the right while stifling speech remain a part of the left wing dogma. This is not new.

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, they have. By folding under pressure from CAIR and other Muslim groups other Universities will be fearful of inviting Hirsi Ali to speak. This is the way they silence dissent. Muslims have used these same tactics through the courts, through threats, or by actually murdering people who are critical of Islam.

    She already has to be under guard 24 hours a day for speaking out and by denying her a forum, despite their initial invitation, it only reinforces the understanding that it is Muslims who will decide what is going to be said on the subject of misogyny in Islam and not a place of learning which used to stand for the right to expand human knowledge.

    If she cannot speak at American Universities because of Muslim threats, where do you think she is safe to speak?
    please share cites about these islamic "threats" you allude to causing her to have her recognition withdrawn
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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    please share cites about these islamic "threats" you allude to causing her to have her recognition withdrawn
    You genuinely don't know about the Islamic threats against Hirsi Ali's life? Just Google and you'll discover why she must be under 24 hour protection.

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    Re: Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You genuinely don't know about the Islamic threats against Hirsi Ali's life? Just Google and you'll discover why she must be under 24 hour protection.
    so, it was fear that the islamists would attack her at the presentation rather than her anti-islamic statements which caused her recognition to be pulled?
    i don't think so
    you indicated that it was followers of islam who prevented the recognition. clearly you are now back tracking on that post. good
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    Re: Brandeis University withdraws planned honorary degree for Islam critic Ayaan Hirs

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You want me to find a source that says there is no liberal bias? Perhaps you might want to check out the NYTimes or Mother Jones. They'll support your non-liberal bias assumptions. No faults in the article though, its just the messenger you don't pay attention to, correct? That should broaden the mind!
    I wouldn't pay much attention to the NYT or Mother Jones, either. As far as the article goes, it doesn't address your point at all.

    Where did i say the first amendment was being violated? Cowardly Brandeis can do what they did, CAIR, naturally, will do what they do, and those of us who believe in diversity of opinion and greater rights for Muslim women will call down the two for their behavior. Everything is going as it should. I just hope this is not the end of it.
    You're kidding, right? You've been crowing about "free speech" since the beginning. Do you even know what free speech means? Further, those of you who believe in diversity of opinion are hypocrites. If you believe in diversity of opinion, why are you bitching about Brandeis's opinion?
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