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Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

notquiteright said:
I asked why YOU suddenly feel this way, not others, nice deflection... :roll:

You must have not been looking too hard to have missed the CON shrieking over the OWS protests... head in sand much???

Actually the big OWS sit in was in a private park the CONs wanted to be shut down, not public lands. Zuccotti Park

Cows don't just occupy, they consume and trample- the OWS folks would have had to take office equipment, food, and destroy private property to be the equiv.
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Strange talk from a guy that claims to be a rancher.
 
notquiteright said:
I asked why YOU suddenly feel this way, not others, nice deflection... :roll:

You must have not been looking too hard to have missed the CON shrieking over the OWS protests... head in sand much???

Actually the big OWS sit in was in a private park the CONs wanted to be shut down, not public lands. Zuccotti Park

Cows don't just occupy, they consume and trample- the OWS folks would have had to take office equipment, food, and destroy private property to be the equiv.
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Who has their head in the sand? You deflect away from every other OWS "event" by saying to look only at Zucotti Park (publically accessable private land). OWS "events" clearly damaged both public and private property.

LA faces millions in costs for Occupy damage « Hot Air

Yet this is how much of the MSM seemed to view the OWS destruction and disruption:

Occupy Wall Street and the Future of Urban Public Space | City Parks Blog
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Who has their head in the sand? You deflect away from every other OWS "event" by saying to look only at Zucotti Park (publically accessable private land). OWS "events" clearly damaged both public and private property.

LA faces millions in costs for Occupy damage « Hot Air

Yet this is how much of the MSM seemed to view the OWS destruction and disruption:

Occupy Wall Street and the Future of Urban Public Space | City Parks Blog
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So there was CON outrage??? Imagine that... but I'd like the contract that pays $400,000 for the lawn and $700,000 for the cops???? but Hot Air (gotta love that name) says MILLIONS but I don't see how unless everyone inflated their expenses to fleece the Taxpayer.

FYI a blog isn't MSM so keep looking. try Faux Noise. Now did OWS continue to destroy public property for 20 years, have armed men appear talking about a human shield of women?

But you deflect--- Did you decry the OWS crowd being pushed around by the law over everything from bullhorns to generators???? :confused:
 
notquiteright said:
So there was CON outrage??? Imagine that... but I'd like the contract that pays $400,000 for the lawn and $700,000 for the cops???? but Hot Air (gotta love that name) says MILLIONS but I don't see how unless everyone inflated their expenses to fleece the Taxpayer.

FYI a blog isn't MSM so keep looking. try Faux Noise. Now did OWS continue to destroy public property for 20 years, have armed men appear talking about a human shield of women?

But you deflect--- Did you decry the OWS crowd being pushed around by the law over everything from bullhorns to generators???? :confused:
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I do not decry law enforcement enforcing the law in either case. What I decry is very selective enforcement based on the political leanings of those violating the law. I maintain that 12 million illegal aliens do far more damage than a herd of cattle. Why is Obama not explaining that the cattle were innocent pawns that were brought to (or born on) the land and thus deserve legal status and a path to grazing rights? ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I do not decry law enforcement enforcing the law in either case. What I decry is very selective enforcement based on the political leanings of those violating the law. I maintain that 12 million illegal aliens do far more damage than a herd of cattle. Why is Obama not explaining that the cattle were innocent pawns that were brought to (or born on) the land and thus deserve legal status and a path to grazing rights? ;)
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You are making excuses and you know it. Hell, you could say that about just any law that gets broke. "Oh damn, I robbed a bank so I could feed my kids, why was I arrested when we have 12 million illegal aliens here?".

It's kinda like the speeder that gets mad because HE was caught when others were also breaking the law. It doesn't excuse one bit that the person broke the law.

Fact is, he broke the law and he was an EASY target to enforce the law on. Just like a speeder gets caught, he finally got caught. When you are going to boast that you break the law publicly, you shouldn't be suprised when the cops come knocking.

I still don't think the feds were right in the amount of force they used, but it doesn't excuse Bundy's actions one bit.
 
TheNextEra said:
You are making excuses and you know it. Hell, you could say that about just any law that gets broke. "Oh damn, I robbed a bank so I could feed my kids, why was I arrested when we have 12 million illegal aliens here?".

It's kinda like the speeder that gets mad because HE was caught when others were also breaking the law. It doesn't excuse one bit that the person broke the law.

Fact is, he broke the law and he was an EASY target to enforce the law on. Just like a speeder gets caught, he finally got caught. When you are going to boast that you break the law publicly, you shouldn't be suprised when the cops come knocking.

I still don't think the feds were right in the amount of force they used, but it doesn't excuse Bundy's actions one bit.
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Read the post, to which you replied, again. Did I ever say, or imply, that Bundy should not be prevented from free grazing? Whether you break the law "publicly" should not be the criteria at all. The Bureau of Land Mismanagement, with an annual budget of over $1 billion, should not require 20 years to notice that a herd of cattle are present. I am not excusing Bundy's actions in the least, I am pointing out an extreme double standard in federal law enforcement.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I do not decry law enforcement enforcing the law in either case. What I decry is very selective enforcement based on the political leanings of those violating the law. I maintain that 12 million illegal aliens do far more damage than a herd of cattle. Why is Obama not explaining that the cattle were innocent pawns that were brought to (or born on) the land and thus deserve legal status and a path to grazing rights?
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CON crap... using your silly dodge then no other laws should be enforced as long as illegal drugs still are manufactured in this country. :shock:

The BLM doesn't enforce immigration, it protects of public lands... where does anyone's 'political leanings' figure into a lying, deadbeat man defying the law for decades- if anything he has gotten a pass other ranchers have not! :doh

Now did the President order the BLM to end the decades of lawbreaking Bundy engaged in? Why do CONs insist on dragging crap into the discussion????

But typical CON deflection... Bundy's cattle are still free to graze, just not the protected area- and for that matter neither are the 'innocent pawn' children of illegal immigrants... :peace
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Just seems like you have a negative opinion of cows for a guy that claims to be a rancher.
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You taking to libations this early today?

Where do I have a negative opinion of cattle? I have a negative opinion of a lying, deadbeat, rancher who expects something for nothing because of a series of lies he tells about his lineage. :doh

Cattle are capable of great damage to fragile ecosystems- the SW has had irreparable damage done by over grazing of cattle. That isn't the cow's fault but the greedy bastard running them.... :roll:
 
notquiteright said:
You taking to libations this early today?

Where do I have a negative opinion of cattle? I have a negative opinion of a lying, deadbeat, rancher who expects something for nothing because of a series of lies he tells about his lineage. :doh

Cattle are capable of great damage to fragile ecosystems- the SW has had irreparable damage done by over grazing of cattle. That isn't the cow's fault but the greedy bastard running them.... :roll:
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Most ranchers who know Bundy dislike him quite a bit, and it's not disliking him for the comments he made either. But some people are willing to overlook the fact that other ranchers who know him dislike him for his shenanigans with the BLM.
 
j-mac said:
And that is a fair point ditto...I have conceded that Bundy was/is in the wrong for not paying his fines not fees....He already have bought the permits, and the government wanted to take them away...

It really would parallel my situation if:

I had all of my permits, and tags, licencing, and inter state DOT numbers, and registrations paid for, and all of the sudden the government showed up at my door, and told me that I could no longer drive on the Interstate, because the "the Center for Prius integration" wanted to protect the highway system for hybrid cars...

And then to make matters worse when I didn't agree to what the government was proposing, they came after me with SWAT....

You think that is America? You think that is how things should work?
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It's more like you hadn't paid those things, had ignored several attempts to collect, had said you didn't believe that the Highway Patrol actually existed, and had passed up several weigh stations, thumbing your nose as you went, and then were shocked to see several black and whites behind you, lights on and sirens blaring.

Yes, that's how things work in America, as well as in other modern nations. There are some where you'd simply pull off the road and offer the cop a few bucks, but then, that's not the sort of place I'd want to live.
 
notquiteright said:
CON crap... using your silly dodge then no other laws should be enforced as long as illegal drugs still are manufactured in this country. :shock:

The BLM doesn't enforce immigration, it protects of public lands... where does anyone's 'political leanings' figure into a lying, deadbeat man defying the law for decades- if anything he has gotten a pass other ranchers have not! :doh

Now did the President order the BLM to end the decades of lawbreaking Bundy engaged in? Why do CONs insist on dragging crap into the discussion????

But typical CON deflection... Bundy's cattle are still free to graze, just not the protected area- and for that matter neither are the 'innocent pawn' children of illegal immigrants... :peace
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Read the first sentence of the post to which you replied. It is you, not me, that condones selective federal law enforcement, regardless of the agency involved. Your selective poutrage is noted. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Read the post, to which you replied, again. Did I ever say, or imply, that Bundy should not be prevented from free grazing? Whether you break the law "publicly" should not be the criteria at all. The Bureau of Land Mismanagement, with an annual budget of over $1 billion, should not require 20 years to notice that a herd of cattle are present. I am not excusing Bundy's actions in the least, I am pointing out an extreme double standard in federal law enforcement.
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Sorry but if I broadcast that I am commiting a crime, it will get looked at faster than another crime. That isn't criteria, it isn't political, that's reality. This wasn't based on political leanings, this was based on the fact we had someone broadcasting they were commiting a crime. I guarantee you that if some ilelgal alien went to the media and said he was an illegal alien and said where they could find him, they would be going after him. Again, that isn't political, that's reality.

I agree the feds went overboard with this and I don't think it was political, I think it was trying to send a message and for THAT reason they are wrong. This should have been handled like any other tax or fee issue and that would not include going out in force like they did.
 
notquiteright said:
You taking to libations this early today?

Where do I have a negative opinion of cattle? I have a negative opinion of a lying, deadbeat, rancher who expects something for nothing because of a series of lies he tells about his lineage. :doh

Cattle are capable of great damage to fragile ecosystems- the SW has had irreparable damage done by over grazing of cattle. That isn't the cow's fault but the greedy bastard running them.... :roll:
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"Cows don't just occupy, they consume and trample"

I dunno, seems a bit negative to me.:shrug:
 
sawyerloggingon said:
"Cows don't just occupy, they consume and trample"

I dunno, seems a bit negative to me.:shrug:
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Cows do consume and trample. They also (bleep!) all over everything. There are places for raising cattle, and places where cattle should not be. There are no places where the numbers of cattle should be unlimited.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Cows do consume and trample. They also (bleep!) all over everything. There are places for raising cattle, and places where cattle should not be. There are no places where the numbers of cattle should be unlimited.
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I tend to agree but rarely if ever does a cattle rancher say this. I myself am against grazing cattle on arid BLM lands. The fragile ecosystem is being destroyed by thiese cows and things like the sage grouse are going extinct.
 
AJiveMan said:
Most ranchers who know Bundy dislike him quite a bit, and it's not disliking him for the comments he made either. But some people are willing to overlook the fact that other ranchers who know him dislike him for his shenanigans with the BLM.
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Most excellent point, the Nevada Cattleman's Association isn't backing his claims (a VERY CONservative group), nor launching over heated rhetoric about the Gubmint, Obama, or turtles... :peace
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I tend to agree but rarely if ever does a cattle rancher say this. I myself am against grazing cattle on arid BLM lands. The fragile ecosystem is being destroyed by thiese cows and things like the sage grouse are going extinct.
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Exactly, and evidently things like the desert tortoise as well. Of course a cattle rancher is going to be in favor of grazing cattle anywhere there is grass for them to eat, and wildlife be damned.

And Bundy evidently thinks that he can run them for free on public land as well.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
"Cows don't just occupy, they consume and trample" I dunno, seems a bit negative to me.
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Well Pilgrim, I guess to a CONfused saw stroker the truth about cattle can seem negative. But to claim ranchers don't know what their cattle can do???? :doh

But I doubt you know many ranchers, I never claimed to be a typical anything, but I do know some guys just take and some guys look to the future.

Making asshats like Bundy obey the law doesn't hurt the industry a bit.

Acknowledging animal husbandry means more than having a REAL friendly ewe doesn't hurt the industry a bit. ;)
 
TheNextEra said:
Sorry but if I broadcast that I am commiting a crime, it will get looked at faster than another crime. That isn't criteria, it isn't political, that's reality. This wasn't based on political leanings, this was based on the fact we had someone broadcasting they were commiting a crime. I guarantee you that if some ilelgal alien went to the media and said he was an illegal alien and said where they could find him, they would be going after him. Again, that isn't political, that's reality.

I agree the feds went overboard with this and I don't think it was political, I think it was trying to send a message and for THAT reason they are wrong. This should have been handled like any other tax or fee issue and that would not include going out in force like they did.
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That is simply not true, as evidenced by the current "dreamy" enfircement of immigration law.

Hillary Clinton praises teen who came out to her as illegal immigrant | Mail Online
 
TheNextEra said:
Sorry but if I broadcast that I am commiting a crime, it will get looked at faster than another crime. That isn't criteria, it isn't political, that's reality. This wasn't based on political leanings, this was based on the fact we had someone broadcasting they were commiting a crime. I guarantee you that if some ilelgal alien went to the media and said he was an illegal alien and said where they could find him, they would be going after him. Again, that isn't political, that's reality.

I agree the feds went overboard with this and I don't think it was political, I think it was trying to send a message and for THAT reason they are wrong. This should have been handled like any other tax or fee issue and that would not include going out in force like they did.
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That is simply not true, as evidenced by the current "dreamy" enforcement of immigration law.

Hillary Clinton praises teen who came out to her as illegal immigrant | Mail Online
 
notquiteright said:
Most excellent point, the Nevada Cattleman's Association isn't backing his claims (a VERY CONservative group), nor launching over heated rhetoric about the Gubmint, Obama, or turtles... :peace
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I don't know what it is, when a guy who owns 160 acres, has 1000 head of cattle, a ranch, out buildings, vehicles, toys, and everything a well to do American could want, he thumbs his nose at the government, and conservatives support this person, while denigrating those living in poverty, and come to find out, he's been a welfare queen for 20 years... it just boggles the mind, it truly does.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Exactly, and evidently things like the desert tortoise as well. Of course a cattle rancher is going to be in favor of grazing cattle anywhere there is grass for them to eat, and wildlife be damned.

And Bundy evidently thinks that he can run them for free on public land as well.
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My position on bundy is not about cows it is about the feds coming in like they did in Waco and Ruby Ridge.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
My position on bundy is not about cows it is about the feds coming in like they did in Waco and Ruby Ridge.
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please show us the comparable fire and loss of life


not being able to do so will demonstrate that your attempted analogy is a massive fail
 
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