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Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

Slyhunter said:
Hannidy said it right on his radio show today. Whether Bundy is right or wrong about wanting to graze his land on public land, the government was wrong by going after him the way they did. They should've first put a lien out on his land and cattle before bringing in the guns.
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Federal officers brought weapons because they were told of the armed Bundy militia. You're citing half of the truth.
 
Boo Radley said:
Which is typical of Hannity as well.
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Right now, well, maybe not anymore, they're on spin cycle.

I sure wished I had cable or satellite television, I'd like to see O'Really spin it.
 
Cryptic said:
Sigh, it is not Bundy's garage, so there is no extortion. Noow, Bundy does own 180 acres of land, but he does not want to keep his property on his land.

Lets do an experiment:

-Don't pay your parking meter fees for severl years
-Claim that you own the streets due to your special ancestory
-Tell the local police that:
A. You will continue to park on local streets
B. You will never pay the parking fee
C. You will do whatever it takes to defend your property.
- The, get lots of blind followers juiced up

I bet the people that tow your car are going to be armed (shocker)
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Ok, he does not own that extra land, but the family DID own the rights to graze on that land. It's his contention that he was paying the state grazing fees, when that land was made federal, which voids the contract.

since analogy is a word people don't seem to grasp... Let's say he owned the MINERAL RIGHT on that land, he could open a mine to pull those minerals out of the land even though he did not own the actual land.

Now, add to your experiment... that you own the lot in question and the government adds the meter to the lot and claims you owe for the usage, and your experiment ensues...

Then you would be within your rights to refuse to pay...

Whatever, I'm convinced, we should allow these land grabs so that corrupt politicians can profit.
 
Moot said:
Reminds me of Shay's Rebellion...which was the inspiration for creating a strong federal government that could enforce the laws. History shows that the founding fathers would not have put up with Mr. Bundy and would have cut him down without hesitation.
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Or the Whiskey Rebellion. George Washington was leading the charge to quell that one.
 
Cliven Bundy on the the "Negro":

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
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Here's the story from the Christian Science Monitor:

There you go. There's your folk hero standing up to the big bad federal government, you know, the freedom fighter who has been compared to the revolutionaries of '76.

What a guy. What a role model for the RWENJ!
 
BmanMcfly said:
Ok, he does not own that extra land, but the family DID own the rights to graze on that land. It's his contention that he was paying the state grazing fees, when that land was made federal, which voids the contract.

since analogy is a word people don't seem to grasp... Let's say he owned the MINERAL RIGHT on that land, he could open a mine to pull those minerals out of the land even though he did not own the actual land.

Now, add to your experiment... that you own the lot in question and the government adds the meter to the lot and claims you owe for the usage, and your experiment ensues...

Then you would be within your rights to refuse to pay...

Whatever, I'm convinced, we should allow these land grabs so that corrupt politicians can profit.
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Actually I think he paid grazing fee's to the federal govenment not the state government. And for some reason the Federal government started buying those permits back, effectively elliminating them. Instead of selling his back to the feds he stopped his payments completely. And I believe the reason the Fed started to buy the permits back is because Reid's son wanted the property for a Chinese solar electricity plant? Although they claim it's because of an endangered turtle.

Again the Fed shouldn't own all this land. It should be deeded over to the States for individual disbursement. Even if they charge more for grazing fee's.
 
Bob N said:
Or the Whiskey Rebellion. George Washington was leading the charge to quell that one.
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That too. Insurrection was one of the biggest fears of property owners..er...uh founding fathers during that time.

But Bundy isn't complaining about property rights....he's complaining about not getting grazing rights on public land for free. That more than qualifies him as a Reaganesque welfare queen extraordinaire.
 
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j-mac said:
As I stated in the other thread. I no longer support him, nor the government actions on him.
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way to take a firm stand!
 
justabubba said:
way to take a firm stand!
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My stand is against using a sledge hammer, when a fly swatter would work. But the show of force wasn't aimed at Bundy, it was really just a show for the people. Remember Orwell ... "OBEY"
 
j-mac said:
My stand is against using a sledge hammer, when a fly swatter would work. But the show of force wasn't aimed at Bundy, it was really just a show for the people. Remember Orwell ... "OBEY"
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The fly swatter should have applied 20 years ago....but now its time for a sledge hammer or the federal government will some lose credibility. If it can't or won't enforce the laws then what is the point?
 
Moot said:
The fly swatter should have applied 20 years ago....but now its time for a sledge hammer or the federal government will some lose credibility. If it can't or won't enforce the laws then what is the point?
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It can't or won't enforce immigration laws...

Hell, they can't even enforce obamacare equally and fairly...


The government has already lost its credibility.
 
BmanMcfly said:
It can't or won't enforce immigration laws...

Hell, they can't even enforce obamacare equally and fairly...


The government has already lost its credibility.
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So has Bundy.

So, where are we in this standoff?
 
Dittohead not! said:
So has Bundy.

So, where are we in this standoff?
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Wait, so it's now his job to enforce immigration laws, obamacare, and the other countless examples of government hypocrisy that I didn't mention?
 
BmanMcfly said:
Wait, so it's now his job to enforce immigration laws, obamacare, and the other countless examples of government hypocrisy that I didn't mention?
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It was his job to pay his grazing fees.
It was not his job to address the many red herrings and non sequiters posted on this thread, no.
 
BmanMcfly said:
The red herring you raised
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I raised?
No, that's in error. It wasn't me who posted about Obamacare and immigration laws. I didn't post about my Aunt Matilda and her bunions, either, for the same reason:


That is not relevant.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I raised?
No, that's in error. It wasn't me who posted about Obamacare and immigration laws. I didn't post about my Aunt Matilda and her bunions, either, for the same reason:


That is not relevant.
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Oh, oops, it's moot that raised that red herring... I just pointed out the hypocrisy.
 
Moot said:
It was your red herring.
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No, the red herring was saying that the government loses credibility for not enforcing laws.


I pointed out that this is a red herring by bringing up a few of the almost innumerable ways that the government is selectively enforcing laws.

Red herring : The idiom "red herring" is used to refer to something that misleads or distracts from the relevant or important issue.[1] It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion.

And government corruption is a key issue in this situation.
 
BmanMcfly said:
No, the red herring was saying that the government loses credibility for not enforcing laws.
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That's what the "sovereign citizens" believe.


I pointed out that this is a red herring by bringing up a few of the almost innumerable ways that the government is selectively enforcing laws.

Red herring : The idiom "red herring" is used to refer to something that misleads or distracts from the relevant or important issue.[1] It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion.

And government corruption is a key issue in this situation.
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Your example of immigration is a red herring.
 
Moot said:
That's what the "sovereign citizens" believe.
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What's sovereign citizens?

You make it out like an insult? If a citizen is not sovereign it means they are a subject, or perhaps a Slave.


Your example of immigration is a red herring.
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How so?

You said the government loses street cred (not in those words), if it does not enforce the law against bundy. My point was that they already lost that credibility by not enforcing immigration laws, I also added not enforcing Obama care equally, and I also left open for the litany of other examples of corrupt government that show the us to be a joke on the world stage... A joke with lots of guns mind you, but all the same.
 
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