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Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

Kyle LaValliere said:
You mean the Nevada association? That's the whole state, not the area specific to the Bundy episode. What trend do you see in the membership level of that association? I see a Reuters article corroborating "dwindling number of ranchers" and, probably more indicative, the highest beef prices in over a quarter-century partially attributed to a "dwindling number of cattle".
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And all that is due to a grazing fee equivalent to about a third of a pound of hamburger on sale at Save Mart per month?

This despite the high cost of beef? Those cows are walking gold mines, it seems to me.
 
AJiveMan said:
The land he leases doesn't belong to the state though. If you have a mortgage or lease a property, do you make your payments to the person - company - or corporation who is the lienholder - lessor, or, do you make payments to a place which has nothing to do with your lease - purchase? It doesn't get any simpler than that now, does it?
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The leasing rights to the Gold Butte area were sold to Clarke County in 1998. So, he should have been paying Clarke County and he has attempted to do so numerous times over the years.
 
Napoleon said:
The leasing rights to the Gold Butte area were sold to Clarke County in 1998. So, he should have been paying Clarke County and he has attempted to do so numerous times over the years.
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causes one to wonder why he kept trying to pay the wrong entity when the actual payee is trying to get him to pay up
anyone really think he was attempting to pay his just, legal obligation ... after spending the better part of 20 years in court trying to avoid such payment
 
Napoleon said:
The leasing rights to the Gold Butte area were sold to Clarke County in 1998. So, he should have been paying Clarke County and he has attempted to do so numerous times over the years.
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No. Incorrect. or 1/2 correct.

"Mr. Bundy has long falsely believed that Gold Butte is his ranch," added friends of Sloan Canyon's president Terri Robertson. "We all know that is not the reality, and it is time for him for obey the law."
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In 1998, five years after Bundy began to refuse to pay his publicly subsidized grazing fees in 1993, the BLM finally revoked his grazing permit for failure to pay those fees. Clark County then bought out that permit for $375,000 and retired them permanently to protect the desert tortoise under the Clark County Multiple Species Habitat Conservation Plan.
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'Range War' Fizzles as Feds Round Up Illegal Cattle | Commentary | ReWild | KCET
 
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AJiveMan said:
No. Incorrect. or 1/2 correct.
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Incorrect. Clarke County purchased the leasing rights and all of the permits that fall under them in 1998. What they chose to do with them is irrelevant as Bundy has the right under State law to use that land for grazing. Where his legal argument fails is in the Supremacy Clause.
 
Napoleon said:
Incorrect. Clarke County purchased the leasing rights and all of the permits that fall under them in 1998. What they chose to do with them is irrelevant as Bundy has the right under State law to use that land for grazing. Where his legal argument fails is in the Supremacy Clause.
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Actually, local government has final say, Clarke County closed the land to grazing. Bundy dosen't have a legal leg on which to stand upon. In essence what you're saying in this post is that state law takes precedence over local laws. And this is Bundy's defense.
 
Dittohead not! said:
And all that is due to a grazing fee equivalent to about a third of a pound of hamburger on sale at Save Mart per month?

This despite the high cost of beef? Those cows are walking gold mines, it seems to me.
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Among other things. Endangered species maps that change depending on Harry Reid's latest crony foreign solar deal, or gas/oil deal, limits on the number of cattle, etc., etc. Only one thing could swing a market as fast as this one has: heavy-handed government.
 
Kyle LaValliere said:
Among other things. Endangered species maps that change depending on Harry Reid's latest crony foreign solar deal, or gas/oil deal, limits on the number of cattle, etc., etc. Only one thing could swing a market as fast as this one has: heavy-handed government.
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yea
in 1993 they knew a solar facility would be built in 2014 ... and only 200 miles from this site
your posts like that could get this thread thrown into the conspiracy forum
 
justabubba said:
yea
in 1993 they knew a solar facility would be built in 2014 ... and only 200 miles from this site
your posts like that could get this thread thrown into the conspiracy forum
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That's not even the point. They started pushing ranchers off this land for some reason. Fill in whichever reason you want. Chances are we'll both be wrong and it's actually some shady back-room deal with the mob or whatever the hell. The real point is that they clearly made a conscious decision to upend the lives of all the ranchers in the area, and now those ranchers are gone. If you're fine with that few people wielding that much power to indiscriminately move citizens around like pieces on a chessboard, then I don't have much for you - except remember that when you or someone you care about becomes the next piece. "Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me."
 
Kyle LaValliere said:
Among other things. Endangered species maps that change depending on Harry Reid's latest crony foreign solar deal, or gas/oil deal, limits on the number of cattle, etc., etc. Only one thing could swing a market as fast as this one has: heavy-handed government.
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The higher cost of beef is largely due to the drought in the south west.
 
tecoyah said:
Is that time imminent when said Government attempts to enforce law and act upon court designated legal positions?

It seems to me this has become little more than an excuse for militant anti-establishment cowboys to display testosterone enflamed ball sacs.
I just hope they are bright enough to avoid provoking the inevitable bloodshed stupidity would create.
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You know, when patriots dumped tea into the Boston harbor, they were bucking the "establishment" too.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The higher cost of beef is largely due to the drought in the south west.
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I love the pattern with you. I say three or four things with sources, you refute one of them with no source, and presumably claim victory. You need to run for political office!
 
false equivalency.
j-mac said:
So you support government over freedom... ok.
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We have freedom every day and would not have as rich of freedom without all levels of gov't .
 
The 16,000 cattlemen in this Country who pay their fees would disagree with you.
j-mac said:
You know, when patriots dumped tea into the Boston harbor, they were bucking the "establishment" too.
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They are no more Patriots than the Militant Arch-right-wing websites looking for more Bundys .
 
j-mac said:
You know, when patriots dumped tea into the Boston harbor, they were bucking the "establishment" too.
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How dare you compare the two incidents.....do you have no respect at all for what transpired to form this nation.

Pathetic and Disgusting.
 
Dittohead not! said:
and your contention was, again.... that $1.35 per animal grazing fee? Really?
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Since Bundy wants out of the USA, let him pay the state of Nevada's fee, $12 a head going back 20 years.
Let him renounce his federal citizenship and not vote in federal elections or drive on our roads.
I've had to change my route to Vegas to I-40 to not come through I-15 .
 
tecoyah said:
How dare you compare the two incidents.....do you have no respect at all for what transpired to form this nation.

Pathetic and Disgusting.
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C'mon, you know in Conservamerica, the Founding Fathers are perfectly fine to use as props to score cheap political points. Only for righties, though.
 
j-mac said:
That's nonsense. We're there people there with weapons? Yes. Were their goals peaceful resolution? Yes.

Harry Reid doesn't seem to be so.
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I'm not so sure.
 
Kobie said:
C'mon, you know in Conservamerica, the Founding Fathers are perfectly fine to use as props to score cheap political points. Only for righties, though.
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Perhaps in the "New" version of the conservative mindset.....it was NEVER like this ten years ago.
 
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