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Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

Buck Ewer said:
Well of course not ...if you are an anarchist.
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Whose property or person is aggressed upon by encouraging people to disobey their government?

On this point, who has their property or person aggressed upon when people conspire to commit crimes? Anyone?
 
Lukas105 said:
I don't want anarchy, I want the Federal government to go back to their hole in D.C. This Federal government has grown to big for everybody's good, and when Americans stand up and take up arms, as in this battle over cattle grazing, the Federal government backed down.

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BS, you want a bunch of pissed off gomers to kill feds. Why else would you publish that pic?

Does the fact that Bundy made a choice to stop payments for something he knowingly owes bother you? Or that he lost in federal court?

Take your anarchy to somewhere that it is allowed...I hear Somalia is looking for you nuts.

The normal people will follow the rule of law, and not get all excited about the prospect of shooting feds who are clearly in the right.
 
He should have to pay nothing to the Federal government for grazing that land. Why does the NATIONAL government need to own 1/2 the land in the STATE of Nevada?

Kobie said:
And the federal government was offering him (and plenty of others) cut-rate costs to graze on that land. Money he refused to pay for two decades.
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beefheart said:
BS, you want a bunch of pissed off gomers to kill feds. Why else would you publish that pic?

Does the fact that Bundy made a choice to stop payments for something he knowingly owes bother you? Or that he lost in federal court?

Take your anarchy to somewhere that it is allowed...I hear Somalia is looking for you nuts.

The normal people will follow the rule of law, and not get all excited about the prospect of shooting feds who are clearly in the right.
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So the Federal government is allowed to point their guns at us, be we can't point ours back? I thought this was a Democratic-Republic, not a Totalitarian state.
 
Henrin said:
Who told you the people and the government are the same group? Did you learn that in public school perhaps? :lamo
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We should all believe that any government is the peoples enemy ... like Henrin the anarchist does.
 
Lukas105 said:
He should have to pay nothing to the Federal government for grazing that land. Why does the NATIONAL government need to own 1/2 the land in the STATE of Nevada?
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I thought you guys didn't like people getting free rides from the government.

Why the federal government "needs" to own that land is irrelevant to the conversation. Are we now just entitled to say "the government doesn't need it" and take whatever we want? The government probably doesn't "need" nine active aircraft carriers with a 10th on the way either; I don't see anyone advocating that we commandeer one of them.

Look at what you're arguing here. You're basically saying the federal government is not allowed to own any land (bye-bye, national park system), or that any yokel can just do whatever they want on federal land, because government bad.
 
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So do you want to break the law and then point your guns behind women on federal land with Bundy or not ?
Lukas105 said:
So the Federal government is allowed to point their guns at us, be we can't point ours back? I thought this was a Democratic-Republic, not a Totalitarian state.
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Kobie said:
I thought you guys didn't like people getting free rides from the government.
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I'm saying that this land should of never of been in Federal control to begin with.
 
It's only Totalitarian during Clinton's and Obama's regimes, during the growth of right-wing and confirmed aryan and nazi militias.
Especially on Vanguard News Network !
Lukas105 said:
So the Federal government is allowed to point their guns at us, be we can't point ours back? I thought this was a Democratic-Republic, not a Totalitarian state.
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NIMBY said:
Time for the sane gun owners like you to stand up and be counted.
After all, 74% of you "commoners" in the NRA membership supported Toomey/Manchin, whether you did or not.

The burn-outs in the Militia lost this battle by threatening to use Women as shields .
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The thing that really gets me is that these militia freaks were threatening to shoot fellow Americans and believe that they are heros for such behavior.
 
Lukas105 said:
I'm saying that this land should of never of been in Federal control to begin with.
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So Bundy is entitled to just waltz in and do whatever he wants on it, for free?
 
Lukas105 said:
The Federal government threatens people all the time, but the people are not allowed to threaten it?
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How are the angry tea party rabble out there threatened by the government waiting 20 years and a few court victories to demand that this deadbeat welfare queen pay up his dues?

You angry hillbillies are backing the wrong man, some of you will wise up in time, but most of you kooks are too far down the rabbit hole...
 
Buck Ewer said:
We should all believe that any government is the peoples enemy ... like Henrin the anarchist does.
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The government is like mom & dad. They set rules, enforce them and make decisions for the household (country). Where they generally differ is when a child does not obey their parents, mom & dad don't show up with firearms to get compliance.
 
Kobie said:
I thought you guys didn't like people getting free rides from the government.

Why the federal government "needs" to own that land is irrelevant to the conversation. Are we now just entitled to say "the government doesn't need it" and take whatever we want? The government probably doesn't "need" nine active aircraft carriers with a 10th on the way either; I don't see anyone advocating that we commandeer one of them.

Look at what you're arguing here. You're basically saying the federal government is not allowed to own any land (bye-bye, national park system), or that any yokel can just do whatever they want on federal land, because government bad.
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Yes, the federal government, or for that matter, any government, should not own land. I don't really care about national parks since they just allow the government to assume control over mass amounts of land with the lame excuse they are doing it for the greater good.
 
Henrin said:
Whose property or person is aggressed upon by encouraging people to disobey their government?

On this point, who has their property or person aggressed upon when people conspire to commit crimes? Anyone?
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The anarchist has spoken.
 
Henrin said:
Yes, the federal government, or for that matter, any government, should not own land. I don't really care about national parks since they just allow the government to assume control over mass amounts of land with the lame excuse they are doing it for the greater good.
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So no more national parks, military bases, airports, wildlife preserves, state colleges, public schools, or anything else that isn't privately owned. That's all government-owned land, at one level or another.
 
Buck Ewer said:
The anarchist has spoken.
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If the property or person of someone is not aggressed upon by an action then exactly how can you argue it should be a crime to commit the act?
 
Kobie said:
So no more national parks, military bases, airports, wildlife preserves, state colleges, public schools, or anything else that isn't privately owned. That's all government-owned land, at one level or another.
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Yeah, pretty much. The government has no business owning airports, parks, wildlife preserves, colleges, schools, and the military should not exist in it's current form.
 
Lukas105 said:
To put it simply, it doesn't matter what "laws" you break anymore when you're fighting the Federal government. Why does the Federal government need all this public land in Nevada? Are they even using it for anything? A rancher needs a lot of land, especially in a desert like area of Nevada, and when 1/2 of the land is owned by the government, that makes it quite difficult.

This man is trying to save his livelihood, and taxes for use of "Public" land is completely stupid. Let us all pay a fee to hike in a national park the next time we visit it.
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Get the hell out of my country. You have such a hardon about fighting the feds, for what? Alex Jones told you to be angry? Don't like it? Leave my damned country, seriously, we don't need you and your angry trash hillbillies defending a welfare queen moocher.

Livelihood my ass, EVERY other rancher pays their dues. Tell you what, you start a business and decide not to pay anyone what you owe...because you are "trying to save your livelihood", good luck with that...mooch.
 
This thread kind of amuses me. We have a group of people here who really don't care that this guy has been breaking the law, in violation of two court orders, for two decades. They are so ridiculously anti-government that the guy is being held up as a hero for squatting on government land and trying to get the free ride they deride so many poor folks for. And when it's pointed out that this guy (like many ranchers) gets a way better deal than he would from any private landowner for grazing rights and other handouts, they handwave it away and start screaming tyranny after a bunch of people with no connection to the situation decide to mosey on out to Nevada and start waving guns around at federal employees.
 
Henrin said:
Yeah, pretty much. The government has no business owning airports, parks, wildlife preserves, colleges, schools, and the military should not exist in it's current form.
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Why even have a government? Screw it, let's be Somalia.
 
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