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Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

How did the federal government acquire the land? What makes anyone think their property claims are legitimate?
The land was bought from Mexico after the US won the war.It has been owned by the US government ever since.
Do try to keep up.
 
How did the federal government acquire the land? What makes anyone think their property claims are legitimate?

In 1864, when Nevada became a state, its citizens gave up all claims to unappropriated federal land and codified this in the state’s Constitution. The Nevada Constitution states:

“Third. That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States; …..”

Cliven Bundy Has No Claim to Federal Land and Grazing | The Wildlife News

This link goes further in depth in the situation, including the 1934 Taylor Grazing Act, as well as the not one but two court orders to remove his cattle from that land.

This freeloading asshole has been grazing for free in trespass on public lands, in brazen defiance of two court orders, and the feds are finally doing something about it. Yeah, he's a real ****ing patriot.

Of course, Bundy's claim that he should be able to do what he wants with that land since his family has been there since the 1880s (16 years after Nevada became a state) is asinine, since if we're going with the "I was here first argument," then I think there's a couple of other ethnic groups that lay a wee bit earlier claim than you do, paleface.
 
So, losing his case in court multiple times means nothing to you?

You want anarchy, just as long as it is anarchy you agree with.

Public land, but he still has to pay grazing fees. You keep admiring deadbeat scofflaw moochers...

I don't want anarchy, I want the Federal government to go back to their hole in D.C. This Federal government has grown to big for everybody's good, and when Americans stand up and take up arms, as in this battle over cattle grazing, the Federal government backed down.

bundy-ranch-militia.jpg
 
I don't want anarchy, I want the Federal government to go back to their hole in D.C. This Federal government has grown to big for everybody's good, and when Americans stand up and take up arms, as in this battle over cattle grazing, the Federal government backed down.

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They have backed away, but they have not backed down.
This is not over by a looooooong shot.
 
They have backed away, but they have not backed down.
This is not over by a looooooong shot.

With all the American Militias that arrived in the area over the past week, I think the Feds would be foolish to try something. They might start a firestorm that they don't exactly want right now.
 
The land was bought from Mexico after the US won the war.It has been owned by the US government ever since.
Do try to keep up.

How did they acquire the property they used to buy the land?
 
None of this fed govt force you show would Have happened if ARMED to the teeth militia men
with women as threatened shields had not shown up~
Not to mention the new righty tactic of I can cowardly break the law hiding behind the skirt of the 2nd amendment and women .
I don't want anarchy, I want the Federal government to go back to their hole in D.C. This Federal government has grown to big for everybody's good, and when Americans stand up and take up arms, as in this battle over cattle grazing, the Federal government backed down.

bundy-ranch-militia.jpg
 
I don't want anarchy, I want the Federal government to go back to their hole in D.C. This Federal government has grown to big for everybody's good, and when Americans stand up and take up arms, as in this battle over cattle grazing, the Federal government backed down.

So you don't care that the guy was breaking the law and violating two court orders?
 
I don't want anarchy, I want the Federal government to go back to their hole in D.C. This Federal government has grown to big for everybody's good, and when Americans stand up and take up arms, as in this battle over cattle grazing, the Federal government backed down.

bundy-ranch-militia.jpg

That photo will be exploited by the anti-gun crowd. In general the militia movement is the 2nd Amendments worst foe. As a proud gun owner I am very opposed to the militias running around threatening to shoot people that disagree with their ideologies.
 
So you don't care that the guy was breaking the law and violating two court orders?

For many in this thread it's not about the facts, it's about the narrative.

Brave patriot stands up to big Government... all other concerns are secondary.
 
You don't have to buy insurance, you can pay a tax instead. So logically you aren't required to buy insurance. This was defended by the Supreme Court so I will not budge on this.

By that logic nothing is illegal. :lol:

What you refer to as a tax is a penalty for not doing as the government commands. Kind of like how going to prison is the punishment for robbing a bank.
 
With all the American Militias that arrived in the area over the past week, I think the Feds would be foolish to try something. They might start a firestorm that they don't exactly want right now.
Give them a week ,or two ... or five. at some point Bundy will come out from behind the protection of his gun toting thugs to do some stupid talk show or something. One thing we know is that assholes like this have way too much ego to stay in their hideout very long
I predict that he will be arrested without incident within a month.
 
Give them a week ,or two ... or five. at some point Bundy will come out from behind the protection of his gun toting thugs to do some stupid talk show or something. One thing we know is that assholes like this have way too much ego to stay in their hideout very long
I predict that he will be arrested without incident within a month.

I like when people that support the government call those that oppose their actions thugs. :lamo

The only thing the government does is thuggery, you know.
 
Time for the sane gun owners like you to stand up and be counted.
After all, 74% of you "commoners" in the NRA membership supported Toomey/Manchin, whether you did or not.
That photo will be exploited by the anti-gun crowd. In general the militia movement is the 2nd Amendments worst foe. As a proud gun owner I am very opposed to the militias running around threatening to shoot people that disagree with their ideologies.
The burn-outs in the Militia lost this battle by threatening to use Women as shields .
 
That photo will be exploited by the anti-gun crowd. In general the militia movement is the 2nd Amendments worst foe. As a proud gun owner I am very opposed to the militias running around threatening to shoot people that disagree with their ideologies.

The Federal government threatens people all the time, but the people are not allowed to threaten it?
 
The US Government is we the people, so you think we should threaten ourselves?

Who told you the people and the government are the same group? Did you learn that in public school perhaps? :lamo
 
In 1864, when Nevada became a state, its citizens gave up all claims to unappropriated federal land and codified this in the state’s Constitution. The Nevada Constitution states:



Cliven Bundy Has No Claim to Federal Land and Grazing | The Wildlife News

This link goes further in depth in the situation, including the 1934 Taylor Grazing Act, as well as the not one but two court orders to remove his cattle from that land.

This freeloading asshole has been grazing for free in trespass on public lands, in brazen defiance of two court orders, and the feds are finally doing something about it. Yeah, he's a real ****ing patriot.

Of course, Bundy's claim that he should be able to do what he wants with that land since his family has been there since the 1880s (16 years after Nevada became a state) is asinine, since if we're going with the "I was here first argument," then I think there's a couple of other ethnic groups that lay a wee bit earlier claim than you do, paleface.

It's called an enabling act. It was understood that the federal government would hold the land and then dispose of it to the state thereafter.
http://americanlandscouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/9-Attachment-D-Promises-are-the-Same1.pdf
 
So you don't care that the guy was breaking the law and violating two court orders?

To put it simply, it doesn't matter what "laws" you break anymore when you're fighting the Federal government. Why does the Federal government need all this public land in Nevada? Are they even using it for anything? A rancher needs a lot of land, especially in a desert like area of Nevada, and when 1/2 of the land is owned by the government, that makes it quite difficult.

This man is trying to save his livelihood, and taxes for use of "Public" land is completely stupid. Let us all pay a fee to hike in a national park the next time we visit it.
 
To put it simply, it doesn't matter what "laws" you break anymore when you're fighting the Federal government. Why does the Federal government need all this public land in Nevada? Are they even using it for anything? A rancher needs a lot of land, especially in a desert like area of Nevada, and when 1/2 of the land is owned by the government, that makes it quite difficult.

This man is trying to save his livelihood, and taxes for use of "Public" land is completely stupid. Let us all pay a fee to hike in a national park the next time we visit it.

And the federal government was offering him (and plenty of others) cut-rate costs to graze on that land. Money he refused to pay for two decades.
 
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