• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

haymarket said:
I do however strongly believe that this entire episode is damning on both sides as it shows there is a fanatic fringe element out there who is ready to take up arms and sniper positions to kill government employees over a disagreement over public policy.
Click to expand...

I find it amazing, but not surprising, how the sycophants and toadies of tyrannical government will always blame the victims of government violence and never the government itself. I'm sure there were similar types who considered the militiamen at Lexington and Concord to be nut jobs who needed to be placed back underneath the bottom of the barrel from which they crawled. Such government bootlickers consider anyone who stands up with force to government tyranny to be nut jobs.
 
justabubba said:
but don't these same extremists view their second amendment gun rights as providing legitimacy for the use of those arms in insurrection against the government?


and once you have found the opposite side to now be the enemy in a shooting war, then all tactics - excepting those prohibited by the geneva conventions - become legitimate in that fight
Click to expand...

Very well said. I have felt for a long time now after reading the posts of some here on the far right of the gun issue that there are some out there just salivating in bloodlust waiting for the day of right wing jubilee so they can go to war against the government. Its really sad.
 
Federalist said:
I find it amazing, but not surprising, how the sycophants and toadies of tyrannical government will always blame the victims of government violence and never the government itself. I'm sure there were similar types who considered the militiamen at Lexington and Concord to be nut jobs who needed to be placed back underneath the bottom of the barrel from which they crawled. Such government bootlickers consider anyone who stands up with force to government tyranny to be nut jobs.
Click to expand...

Victims of government violence? :doh:shock: Just how is Bundy a victim of anything except his own refusal to honor his debts?
 
rhinefire said:
Harry Reid the communist senator has a son who has his pocketbook focused on some of that land along with Chinese communists investors to build solar plantations on that land. The scum sucking feds own 80% of the land in Nevada and will rent it out to tree huggers for solar profits but not to Americans raising animals.
Click to expand...
Sorry , wrong. The plot of land set for the solar development is at least 200 miles away from where Bundy is illegally grazing his cattle.
Would you like to play again?
 
Last edited:
There IS actually a Constitutional question about whether the Federal Government can purchase State land.
It's pretty murky on both sides.
 
Bundy is not a freedom fighter, a patriotic supporter of the second amendment, a victim in a struggle with a tyrannical government, or anything like that. He is simply a deadbeat being evicted from land he has been using without paying for it, no different from any tenant who hasn't been paying the rent.

Let's not make him out to be a hero.
 
bubbabgone said:
Given Eric Holder's claim to possess broad Law enforcement discretion, I just keep wondering why the DOJ needed to make damn sure to enforce THIS Law against THIS guy.
Can anyone suggest an answer?
Click to expand...

Because he's stealing. His actions are equivalent to theft of service. Others pay for the use of government land, why is it okay for this guy to commit theft?
 
Federalist said:
I find it amazing, but not surprising, how the sycophants and toadies of tyrannical government will always blame the victims of government violence and never the government itself. I'm sure there were similar types who considered the militiamen at Lexington and Concord to be nut jobs who needed to be placed back underneath the bottom of the barrel from which they crawled. Such government bootlickers consider anyone who stands up with force to government tyranny to be nut jobs.
Click to expand...
No tyranny here ...just a deadbeat anarchist asshole who refuses to recognize the existence of your government. He has been getting rich leaching off your tax dollars for the last 20 years. Why do you defend such a greedy asshole?
 
It's rather odd that Al Sharpton can owe the feds $2.6 million for years, have meetings with Obama, and continue to roll without the nuisance of armed federal officers confronting his failure to pay while this guy, Bundy, gets the full treatment. Odd.
 
Tettsuo said:
Because he's stealing. His actions are equivalent to theft of service. Others pay for the use of government land, why is it okay for this guy to commit theft?
Click to expand...

Not the question I asked ... is this offense worse than the others Holder has chosen not to enforce?
 
humbolt said:
It's rather odd that Al Sharpton can owe the feds $2.6 million for years, have meetings with Obama, and continue to roll without the nuisance of armed federal officers confronting his failure to pay while this guy, Bundy, gets the full treatment. Odd.
Click to expand...
Yup ... that's the point I was trying to make.
 
bubbabgone said:
Not the question I asked ... is this offense worse than the others Holder has chosen not to enforce?
Click to expand...

I don't know... I don't know because I'm not aware of what other offenses Holder hasn't enforced that you are so concerned with that somehow justifies this guy's stealing.

But, I do know this dude is not some saint or patriot. He's a thief. Why are backing a thief?
 
Article 1, Section 2 of the Nevada Constitution:

All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.
Click to expand...
Bundy gets no support from the Nevada constitution.
 
Tettsuo said:
I don't know... I don't know because
I'm not aware of what other offenses Holder hasn't enforced
Click to expand...
that you are so concerned with that somehow justifies this guy's stealing.

But, I do know this dude is not some saint or patriot. He's a thief.
Why are backing a thief?
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
About Holder, Humbolt gave you an example.
I can give you over 10 million more but maybe you can figure out what they are on your own.

As for you saying I'm backing a thief ... I'm asking questions. You should be too. There may be more to this than you appear willing to accept.
 
Buck Ewer said:
Article 1, Section 2 of the Nevada Constitution:


Bundy gets no support from the Nevada constitution.
Click to expand...

How did the Federal Government come to own that land?
What about the various Supreme Court decisions regarding The Federal Government and how it may Constitutionally come to own State land?
 
bubbabgone said:
About Holder, Humbolt gave you an example.
I can give you over 10 million more but maybe you can figure out what they are on your own.
Click to expand...
just give us your 10 million examples

As for you saying I'm backing a thief ... I'm asking questions. You should be too. There may be more to this than you appear willing to accept.
Click to expand...
those questions have already been asked and answered in a court of law. the rancher is found to be a thief. he whines because he is unable to continue to use the property of another without approval or cost
 
bubbabgone said:
About Holder, Humbolt gave you an example.
I can give you over 10 million more but maybe you can figure out what they are on your own.

As for you saying I'm backing a thief ... I'm asking questions. You should be too. There may be more to this than you appear willing to accept.
Click to expand...

You're not making sense, unless your premise is that no laws should be enforced until Holder goes after Sharpton. Which is a stupid premise and has nothing to do with this guy Bundy.
 
Tettsuo said:
You're not making sense, unless your premise is that no laws should be enforced until Holder goes after Sharpton. Which is a stupid premise and has nothing to do with this guy Bundy.
Click to expand...

Not the premise at all. The premise is that we treat all equally without regard for person, place, or position. Sharpton is in no way superior to Bundy or deserving of special treatment. And there are literally thousands of examples. Here's just one: Unpaid taxes: IRS report says $450 billion owed - Associated Press - POLITICO.com
 
Dittohead not! said:
It does seem that they acted rather slowly. I wouldn't be happy with a realty agency that allowed someone to occupy a building of mine for that long without paying rent.
Click to expand...

Of course. If you have a non paying tenant, out they go. They shoulda evicted Bundy a long time ago, before it ever went on for even a year.
 
Ockham said:
Let's follow Tetsuo's guidance and "fill them full of holes".
Click to expand...

Yes lets!

You point your guns at Americans enforcing the laws of the land, you should get shot like the common thug you are.
 
humbolt said:
Not the premise at all. The premise is that we treat all equally without regard for person, place, or position. Sharpton is in no way superior to Bundy or deserving of special treatment. And there are literally thousands of examples. Here's just one: Unpaid taxes: IRS report says $450 billion owed - Associated Press - POLITICO.com
Click to expand...

How is that not your premise? They are enforcing the law. Should they not? If your answer is yes, then we agree that Bundy should be forced to pay for stealing.
 
Tettsuo said:
Yes lets!

You point you guns at Americans enforcing the laws of the land, you should get shot like the common thug you are.
Click to expand...

How about their family... you support having them dig a ditch and executing them too... you know... just to be safe?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom